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In my hometown you could go on the police website and have your home flagged to show there was a special needs individual living there in case they ever needed to go there. Thought that was smart.
If this is not available, we could email the local police department.
Just telling them won't really help unless they have a system in place for the flag to come up whenever cops are going to the location
Firefighter/EMT here. We use the same system cops use, and we can see flags on residences (and dispatch is normally pretty vigilant to let us know when there are)
Most large municipalities have laptops wired into the patrol vehicles. All be it most of the systems used are propriety, there is literally no reason to not have such a feature in the software. --Which makes me wonder if there is data available regarding calls to mentally challenged residence that were flagged to the data sent to an officer(s), but ignored by the responding officer(s), that ended in the death of a mentally challenged person?
I'm sure that all connected systems have that feature, and even if the laptop doesn't, then dispatch should have that data if it exists.
Also, FYI, it's "albeit" not "All be it".
Also, I think you were going for proprietary, not propriety, but that is probably autocorrect.
I work in a relatively large hospital that has no way to flag or note patients. It blows my damn mind. We have patients who are drug seeking every week, patients who are notoriously violent, patients who steal from other patients, compulsive liars (even to a dangerous degree) etc etc.
The only way to know any of this is if one of the staff recognizes them and alerts others or if someone is diligent enough (and has the time to - which they often don’t) to go into our archaic health records system which is essentially a bunch of scanned papers organized by date and notice a pattern in visits or to read through dozens of dictated doctors notes until you find one ballsy doctor who mentions it.
Many of our doctors won’t even touch on sensitive subjects like mental health or drug addiction in their notes because the patient can request their records and then raise hell about what the doctor wrote unless they specifically came in for a psych reason.
I honestly struggle not to loose my mind on a daily basis at work because of stuff like this. I have worked there for almost a decade and still cannot fathom it.
I sure hope our local law enforcement has better standards.
Maybe not, but it will document (hopefully) that you made an attempt to call and inform them. Or better yet, have a doctor's office call them also.
My state has an academy for 911 dispatchers, which isn't really the norm so I'm not sure if this next tidbit is normal either,
However while there I learned most agencies here have a CAD (Computer Aided Dispatch) system that allows dispatchers to mark certain address with people who have special needs, if they are 'frequent flyers' or if the person has threatened or harmed first responders in the past.
I asked my local PD if there was a safe place to do craigslist transactions and he laughed at me. I then asked if I could do the transaction in their parking lot and he said he wasn’t the guy to ask.
Police really aren’t as helpful as they should be.
Edit: This is a city in NH. I use City loosely.
I just do it next door to a police department near me, where it's clear there's at least 3-4 cops in that building. If they ever came out to see what I was doing, I'd tell them the truth, I'm selling something on Craigslist and felt better doing it near a police station. I've seen some with designated spots to meet up for sales, but not at the one near me, but I improvise obviously.
I’m contacting the City’s representative and asking for a “Safe Craigslist spot”. It’s 2019 and this should be a thing everywhere.
Where I live they literally have two designated parking spots for online sales/child custody swaps in front of the police station. Its all about your zip code bro.
Child custody swaps?! Cool idea!
My uncle used to just drop my cousins off in front of a grocery store and then sometime later my aunt would pick them up.
Seems like this is way smarter than that.
Yup! People are a lot less likely to act stupid when sitting in front of a police station being recorded 24/7 :)
***Edit: I'm not saying NOBODY does dumb stuff, there are a lot of desperate people/idiots in this world. Just sayin' the incidents of dumb stuff goes way, way down.
You'd think, but last week some guy in a city near me walked up to a cop in the police station parking lot and shot him in the back.
This is amazing. I know I live in a low crime area, but still! No one should fear about being the next statistic.
Florida has special signs they will put outside houses for people with disabilities (eg deaf persons). I hope that's a thing everywhere.
We don't have that in Canada. Instead, the police try not to shoot people.
We don't have that either in South Africa. Instead, the police just don't show up when you call them to come help.
Unless you're native, then they take you for rides.
HEy, no guns idk what you're complaining about. I love driving. DO you love driving? /s
We do, at least in Ontario. I have seen official signage for both blind people and autistic people. It's not directly in front of the house, but a few houses down on each side of the road.
Sounds like a sign that says "I can't hear you break into my house".
Cops who shoot people for non-compliance don't usually do background checking
That's potentially useful for the wrongful death suit after an incident, but unless responding police are checking this website/database prior to each call response it isn't going to be as effective as the signs.
They show up automatically when the address is output for your response.
Why should private citizens have to share PHI with cops to avoid being shot?
Thats the sad part, they shouldn't, cops should be well trained, calm, professional people. On any given day, your lucky to hit just one of those traits.
Unfortunately deaf individuals are also vulnerable...not hearing orders to get on the ground...get out of the car, put your hands up...
When I was MUCH younger I was visiting a friend who works at a bowling alley. A large crowd gathered by the door a short time later. I went to go check it out and a cop had someone pulled over. The cop was standing behind his door shouting something (they were on the street across the parking lot so I couldn’t hear whatever he was saying). It turns out, a lot of people knew who the cop had pulled over. He was a local amateur boxer who was completely deaf. The boxer just kept shrugging to the cop and pointing at his head (I assume his ears to signal he’s deaf).
One of the owners of the bowling alley went outside to explain. The cop turned the gun on the owner and started shouting (again I couldn’t hear what they said). Another cop showed up and the whole thing got out of hand. It’s a sad scenario that likely isn’t all that uncommon.
There was a case recently where a man was shot in the back on the street by an officer for not following commands because you guessed it, he was deaf.
I don't understand why not following commands equates to shooting? Its like there isn't even an attempt to deescalate.
Because there isn't.
I wAs In FeAr Of My LiFe.
Which is funny cause cops are safer now than in the past yet kill more people out of fear. Justified in some cases for sure. But a convenient lie in far too many other instances.
Body cams. Never used when they should be
I always love how at least once a year there's a shooting in which not just one or two, but four or five body cameras just magically "stopped working" and boot lickers just take it at face value. Like nah, those cops totally didn't know they were going to act against the law and their oath, they totally didn't turn the cameras off deliberately, totally just a malfunction. Shit the bar I used to bounce at bought the cheapest body cams they could find, and none of those have magically shut themselves off.
Where I’m at the jail has a big garage called the “sally port” where they bring people in through. They come out of the car there and straight to booking. There are cameras everywhere, they miss nothing. Last year a cop shot a guy still in cuffs still in the back of a car in the back and later that day on the news the police claim that the cameras were not on in the sally port at that time, despite there being several arrests before and after that were on camera.
Ruling? Justified shooting, guy was doing something but never was specified what cop kept his job nobody freaked out that the sally port cameras weren’t working they were just all like “oh yeah sometimes cameras just don’t work. Pieces of shit.”
Precincts put them on the best officers too, its to keep funding up and scandals down.
And when they are used, they break.
60% of the time it fails, every time.
Dude I've literally never even seen a cop try to de-escalate a situation. They're always the people that take it from 0-10000. They literally ramp up the situation to the point a gun is required. It makes no sense.
In Oakland (California), I've personally only seen cops de-escalate situations, and they actually do it pretty well. That being said, your mileage will vary based on your location.
And just to be clear, I'm not talking about the Bart police (which can also operate in Oakland). While I haven't had any run-ins with the Bart police, I am well aware that those guys (including their leadership) are complete morons.
Its like there isn't even an attempt to deescalate.
Actually, the police are usually the ones who escalate the situation.
No, and it happens because there's no real reason for it not to happen. Police in the United States are not held to the same standards as your average citizen, and with that mentality, they are a different class, and it makes citizens lives disposable in comparison to the Law Enforcement Officers.
american police training: if you feel even slightly uncomfortable you pull out that bloody gun and shoot wildly around you do not hesitate! shoot shoot shoot! ask questions later just shooooot!
well thats the impression i get anyway.
You’re not wrong
A word from the wise: he's the same idiot who came up with the video games are murder simulators myth.
that link gave me an error said i didnt have permission to go to the site but the text in that link seems quite insane.
A word from the wise: he's the same idiot who came up with the video games are murder simulators myth.
Search Dave Grossman
His was in the military and now is an author. He preaches about “killology” and I’m not even joking.
specialized in the study of the psychology of killing
what a lovely man.
and despite what he has done and works with he thinks video games are murder simulators that train kids to kill people..
this is next level stupidity.
HA, police are trigger happy, there are multiple cases where police shoot someone for no reason, even cases where the person police shot and killed was following orders or was helping police.
Jemel Roberson, armed security guard at a bar. He was wearing an outfit with the words SECURITY on it, was holding down a person who had just opened fire in the bar. Police arrived on scene and were told by multiple people that Jemel was security and thus friendly. Officers shot him multiple times.
Keith Scott, legal gun owner in North Carolina (LEGAL OPEN CARRY), police were called to the scene over a person pointing a gun at employees. Upon arrival they pulled their guns on Keith who was crouched by his car with his door open doing something inside his car. Police ordered him to drop the gun (which was not in his hands), and after around 30 seconds Keith starts to put his gun on the ground when officers opened fired on him, fatally wounding him. In the video recording you can hear him yell back at the officers "YOU TOLD ME TO PUT IT ON THE GROUND".
Charles Kinsey, mental health therapist,was shot by police in North Miami, Florida. Kinsey, an African-American man, had been retrieving his autistic 23-year-old patient, Arnaldo Rios Soto, who had wandered from his group home. Police encountered the pair while searching for an armed suicidal man. Kinsey was lying on the ground with his hands in the air and trying to negotiate between officers and his patient when he was shot. Both Kinsey and his patient were unarmed. In the video you can hear Charles yell "why did you shoot me" and the officer in question responded with "I DON'T KNOW".
There was another case, I can't find it right now, where a man was held at gunpoint by police, he was ordered to the ground, then ordered to crawl backwards towards police. While he was crawling back towards police he stopped for a fraction of a second to pull his pants up as they were falling down, when police opened fire and killed him. If I recall correctly he was unarmed and not the suspect police were looking for in the first place. The man had followed orders, very hard orders, and was shot for "reaching for a weapon" as the police claimed. The sad thing is that they were going to shoot him no matter what as no officer could see if he had any weapons on him as he is on hands and knees crawling backwards towards them as ordered. It only took the slightest bit of twitch for an officer to shoot and kill him.
Similarly related but not really...
A few years back there was a video of a young white adult (maybe no older than 20) walking with headphones on
Cops screaming at him but the kid can’t hear him. Kid turns around with his hands in his pockets or waistband. Cop tells the kid to raise his hands. Kid raises his hands
Gets shot dead for following commands after “ignoring” cops.
A couple years at UT in Austin, the cops were cracking down on “jay-walking” around the campus. So one morning, I saw that two cops had set up a “sting operation” right outside my building and were giving out $150 fines to almost everyone. [It was 9am on a Saturday so most of the people I saw get fined were literally the only entity on the street- no other cars or people]
Anyways, from my balcony I could see this one girl jogging. She was like 5 feet, 110 pounds, wearing shorts and a sports bra (it was 100 degrees out with like 80% humidity) with her head phones in and I just knew she was gonna get fined. She clipped a corner by maybe 3-4 feet- which I suppose was technically jay-walking, but again, there were no cars around and it was no big deal. Cops yelled at her from behind, which she obviously didn’t hear. But instead of jogging up behind her and tapping her on the shoulder, like a normal human being. Both cops CHARGED at her full speed and TACKLED her to the ground.
She immediately started screaming and crying, begging for help. She was obviously terrified and so confused as to why no one was helping her. I think she was in shock, so it took her a minute to realize the men on top of her were cops. Despite her obvious terror and confusion, the cops kept yelling “stop resisting” and were contorting her arms into increasingly painful positions. When they finally got her in cuffs, picked her up and dragged her over to the cop car- the whole front of her body was covered in blood. It wasn’t just a few scrapes either, it looked like the pavement had literally ripped off strips of her skin.
I know there are worse cases of police brutality, but this was the only incident I’ve seen in person. And it was absolutely horrific. I couldn’t help but think “If this is what these cops are doing to an upper-class white girl, in broad daylight, over JAY WALKING- then wtf are they doing to black men at night?”
This country seriously needs to address its criminal justice system. We need to have a fucking reckoning. From the systemic racism, to the inhumane and deplorable conditions in prisons, to cops constantly getting away for maiming and murdering innocent citizens. We’re in a dystopian nightmare and most people are completely unaware.
That’s fucking despicable.
They can clearly see she’s jogging. Wearing clothes that you’d see don’t have any kind of weapon in.
She’s a woman. She feels herself getting attacked, and in this day and age, if I were her I’d think something terrible is happening.
Then of course the above and beyond overly harsh use of force. FOR JAYWALKING.
And of course “stop resisting”. People can’t be “resisting ARREST” if they don’t know yet are being placed under arrest. Especially when they can’t hear you. It goes back to the original photo posted. The man living there wouldn’t know. A deaf person wouldn’t know. It doesn’t matter though. Don’t disrespect the police.
It’s not just this day and age; I doubt there’s been a time in history when women were safe. (I feel safer now then I did 20 years ago, but if I were jogging and was grabbed by two men, I’d absolutely panic too.)
Completely unwarranted and the fact that he was cleared of a blatant murder sadly doesn't surprise me.
Saying 'stay with me, stay with me' shows he knows he fucked up.
"Stay with me. Stay with me." What, you going to shoot him again for not following orders and dying?
Fuck this makes me so angry. This really needs to change. Even more enraging are the YT comments almost all supporting the cop. What a fucked up country we live in.
Some of them are saying that the emergency the cop was responding to justifies his actions. It's hard for me to understand this logic: "It's okay, it was mistaken identity!" So if we hear there's someone threatening people with guns, we go to that place and threaten people with guns???? Also, play the simon says game with cops perfectly or die. The machismo and disregard for life while exalting a scared idiot with a badge is terrifying.
People have been conditioned to “respect muh authoritah”
The video I linked, to me, shows a cop get knocked down a peg because a person was listening to music and didn’t hear his commands. When he finally turned around he sees a gun pointed at him and says “fool”. He’s then directed to put his hands up, and gets shot anyway.
This was a no win situation for the guy shot because he died following commands.
A person would get charged with manslaughter if their defense was “he called me a fool and I shot him when he showed me his hands”, but a cop... “it was a life or death decision, and my life is more important”
I’m not saying the police are always wrong. But there were two cops with guns. Two sets of eyes.
One man was just trigger happy
Doesn't even try to stabilize the wound or anything. Just handcuffs and frisks him. That's disgusting.
Chicken shit cops do chicken shit things.
worst court decision in US history was declaring that if a cop feels threatened, no matter how stupid or unreasonable that belief is, they're off scott free if they use lethal force.
Roll that back and suddenly a big part of the cop problem in the US fixes itself.
We've got a lot of bad ones...
And much like apples, one bad one ruins the bunch.
But... the good cops still seem to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with their Judge Dredd brethren which really calls into question that "good cop" moniker...
EDIT: I use "Judge Dredd" here as a placeholder for "judge/jury/executioner" or otherwise "I am the law" (rightly or wrongly).
I've seen a good cop before.
He was the one standing nearby with an uncomfortable expression while his partner robbed and abused me...
He wouldn't look me in the eye.
What a hero
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke
Been there. Remember two cops saying "Wait what?" to another cop as I was arrested 9 years ago. Two joints cost me 2.5k and three NA classes a week for a year.
If we truly believed in the 2nd amendment, then the rule would work both ways.
If you truly feel threatened by a cop, no matter how stupid or unreasonable that belief is, you get off scot-free if you shoot them first.
I'm a believer in gun-rights, but if we're going to cherry-pick who gets to use them and when, then we don't deserve those rights. Did you know that in some states and counties a judge gets to decide whether or not you can apply for a license? Read: If he doesn't like the way you look at him he can just say no.
Massachussian here. Each local PD Chief has sole authority to grant licenses. If a Chief decides he doesn't want guns in his town, he's allowed to make that happen.
I got lucky. I'm a clean cut white man living in a city with an unusually high crime rate. My PD barely looked at my ID before processing me.
That sounds horribly unconstitutional.
If you truly feel threatened by a cop, no matter how stupid or unreasonable that belief is, you get off scot-free if you shoot them first.
For a while I was waiting for someone to try that defense out in court. Then I realized that there's no way that person would live long enough to see the inside of a courtroom.
It has happened a few times where someone shot a cop during a no knock raid and they got off on self defense.
Worse, they're trained to respond in a manner where they control the situation with force EVERY TIME. So it is their first move every time, and they can only switch that tactic off if they are un-threatened enough to know it is safe to de-escalate.
When all you're given is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
We militarized our police force. What did we expect would happen?
A while back I was walking home and two cops had blocked off the street before my place. They were interviewing a woman and when I walked by they looked at me and said “ is that him?” She said “no” but they rushed over to me and told me to stop while saying “ hey Tony!” I said I’m not Tony and stoped. So one of the cops comes over with his hand on his gun while saying “ are you sure?”. I get they have to be prepared but it really highlighted how even in a mild situation a scared cop can be so impulsive and dangerous.
Their training makes them perpetually on edge, and their gear puts them in the mindset of violence. If cops were trained in deescalation and not provided so many tools of violence they would behave differently. A simple example: include a police-logo teddy bear in cops gear that they can give to scared children when they make house calls or respond to cases where a parent is injured/dead. It is a valuable tool that they probably should have for these scenarios, and it would change their mindset going into the job.
Their training makes them perpetually on edge, and their gear puts them in the mindset of violence. If cops were trained in deescalation and not provided so many tools of violence they would behave differently.
just look at how it works in the UK, scandanavian countries, etc. they have cops with guns when needed, but generally speaking they're just out there de-escalating situations and helping people. that should be the main job of law enforcement, but in the USA it too often has become a 'military-lite' with people acting under 'martial law-lite'
They should be called out for being trigger happy pussies. I had a gun pulled on me at 18. My crime was: sitting in my car, far away from any homes, in the hills above the wealthiest zip code in the United States at the wrong time. I wasn't who he was looking for, apparently.
Family vacation in Missouri, we're towing a boat behind our Suburban. Officer turns on his roof and we pull over. Guy approaches us with his sidearm drawn and pointed at our vehicle. Step-dad loses his shit at the guy for having his piece drawn.
Officer says we didn't pull over for several minutes after he turned his lights on. SD calls tells him bullshit he saw the guy's car on the side road not even 30 seconds before he pulled over. Guy says we were driving suspiciously, SD again calls bull. Officer says our boat trailer has a tail light out, SD says okay then cite me.
Get the ticket, SD asks if he's done and officer says we're free to go. SD says okay, I want your badge number and CO's name, I've already got your cruiser number. Goes off again for officer having sidearm drawn on us. Citation gets torn up, "Have a good day."
What a turd that guy was.
Was this a camper-cop with one of those notepads of tickets he hand writes?. I've been told if it's a computerized ticket, once it's printed it's in the system and you can't redact it. Got pulled over by a bike cop once hiding in a dumpster alley in a residential neighborhood who was just writing tickets all morning for people going 5 over.
I imagine your family/step-dad are white? If not, I'm amazed you/he came out of this situation alive.
Seriously, any time I have to interact with a cop I am as polite and respectful as possible. I'm well aware they can fuck my day right up on a whim.
Same here. I've been stopped a couple of times in NYC (I worked there for 3.5 years) and each time the cop was incredibly rude, condescending, and power-tripping. I'm white and was treated like shit, I can only imagine what non-whites have to go through.
As a teenager I was not even a block from home, sitting outside smoking (and IIRC, I was even over 18, so it wasn't illegal). Cop comes up and is questioning me about some guys with a crowbar breaking into places. I dunno. Haven't seen anything.
So he keeps going, and then hits me with "do you mind if I search you?" To which I responded "yes, I most certainly do." He patted his gun and said "well, I'm gonna do it anyway."
I wish I had something on me, just to take that shit to court. Not that I'd win. I'd probably lose and go to prison, but god damned is that sort of shit galling. My only crime was being poorly dressed like a ruffian.
Its this kinda crap that body cameras were invented for
Yeah but it doesn't help anyone when the cops decide to turn them off. That shit happened almost every time there was a shooting.
And the worst that would happen to the officer is his supervisor would recommend him for "additional training".
When I was 14 I had an off duty cop pull a gun on me and threaten to arrest me for *literally walking down the road*.
I was walking two blocks to a friends house, with said friend. Guy pulls up in his SUV with his wife and starts yelling at me to gtfo of the road. I was legitimately walking on the side of the road in a suburban neighborhood. Whatever I said to myself in my head, let this guy yell and go on his way; he drives off, maybe 200 feet, and stops in the middle of the road, puts his car in park, gets out, pulls a gun out and starts yelling at me.
He accused me of flipping him off when he drove away. I didn't. I shrugged to my friend who asked why he yelled at me in the first place. Even if I told him to suck his dads cock while flipping him off with three hands, he should have never lost control like that, let alone to a minor.
I reported it to the police department, nothing ever came of it and he had a vendetta against my family until I moved out of the neighborhood. If that guy died, I'd be a little happy.
When I was 14 I snuck out of my house pretty late at night just to go to the local convenience store and buy some junk food to continue computer gaming throughout the night. As I'm pretty quickly walking back home because it was a little brisk and I didn't grab a hoodie I noticed a pickup truck was slowly following me down the road. This kinda freaked me out so I started jogging and eventually sprinting home. I get into my parents yard just as this truck pulls up and this dude gets out. I quickly try to bolt for my bedroom window to jump inside but he grabs me, pins me against my parents station wagon and puts a gun to my head. To this day I can still feel the muzzle on my forehead when I think about it. I pretty much shit myself because I thought I was just gonna be fucking murdered right there. He only revealed himself to be a police officer after putting the gun to my head.
About 10 squad cars show up in front of my parents house, they really fucking brutally handcuff me to the point where my wrists were bleeding and throw me in the back of one of the squad cars.
They left the drivers door open, so I can hear the conversation, apparently they were on some manhunt for a shorter, heavier set latino dude with a mustache wearing a brown jacket. I was a gangly, tall, super white kid without the ability to grow facial hair and was wearing a bright green t-shirt.
Eventually they let me go and I run back inside my house. My mom was furious and wanted to press charges or at least file a complaint against the officers, while my dad just said "They're essentially gangsters that run the county, complaining against them will just lead to more harassment and us probably getting driven out of town"
Sucks, but my dad is totally right. These fuckers never get held accountable.
These fuckers never get held accountable.
At least it was assault and not murdering you.
Damn that's a sad statement to make.
my dad just said "They're essentially gangsters that run the county"
That's a bingo.
I feel like this is an issue with not training police properly. I understand that they always have to be on guard because they don't know what to expect but the police should have been able to pick up on the fact that he was deaf extremely quickly. I bet the boxer was signing he was deaf and the cop just had no idea what it meant.
It is 100% because of their training. I've had several friends who were awesome people, and then after they came out of the academy they have a take no shit but still scared of everything attitude.
Seems like they must be trained that if they've drawn their gun, they have to scream. I'm sure they exist, but I don't recall a video of a cop speaking to a suspect while having his/her gun drawn. Are they trained to scream (which I would think escalates the situation and reduces the suspect's ability to comply due to panic) or do they just freak out?
I've noticed this a bit myself. I'm Canadian Military and sometimes I have a hard time believing the rapid [e]scaltation of force used and how they are quick to point firearms. A soldier would get charged for shit like that.
This culture surrounding police officers in America is seriously despicable. I'm sure most of them are decent human beings but the ones that aren't are able to throw their weight around like it's nothing.
And paralyzed people. No joke. A guy broke his back falling off a bridge and police showed up and tased the shit out of him because he wasn't responding to their commands.
I remember that story too. Couldn’t find the news article because it happened probably more than 15 years ago. The kid was a troubled teenager and jumped from a low bridge (over land) and landed on his back. The cops were already on the scene and ordered him to get up. The fall paralyzed the kid and he couldn’t comply, so the cops kept tasing him.
I am impressed by these so called cops.
Are deaf people legally allowed to drive? Not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious.
Yes they can, and sometimes they are better at it because they pay close attention to their surroundings visually. They notice flashing lights from emergency vehicles so it’s completely safe. No worse than people blaring loud music in their vehicles.
Yes they can, and sometimes they are better at it because they pay close attention to their surroundings visually. They notice flashing lights from emergency vehicles so it’s completely safe.
In my experience, most people drive with their heads in their ass, so I don't see how being deaf is an impairment at all in this case.
Fuck yes they are. I have hearing and tone loss from the military and have been approached by a cop who was irritated that I didn't hear him barking at me. I'm also 6'7" and a little intimidating so the tone was set for said asshole to escalate for no fucking reason.
Now, imagine if i was black.
What was the reason they said they stopped you?
Told me to tone it down once they noticed my reaction and I took out my wireless earbuds :p
I think something clicked for them when they saw that.
I suspect I was mostly just singing along with the chorus of Fuck tha Police and not so much the rest of the lyrics.
Crazy huge white dude running down the street yelling "Fuck the Police" et all.
Far as i know, yelling "fuck the police" should be protected speak. Those cops were thin skinned dicks if they even reacted to that, most cops have way worse yelled at them regularly as part of the job.
It is, which protects someone from being charged criminally for singing those lyrics. This doesn't necessarily stop an officer from beating the shit out of you, or even arresting you and charging you for something like disorderly conduct. That said, you might have a 1983 civil rights claim, but that takes time, an attorney, and money (although attorneys might take the case for free).
Some videos show that being able to hear them doesn't help much...
That's why deaf drivers can put stickers in their driver side window explaining their deaf. There are also cards that can be kept in their wallet/purse/pocket explaining that they are deaf. Unlike people with low functioning autism these people have ways to communicate. All they need is someone who will take the time to check the stickers and cards.
Good luck reaching for that card in your wallet. Particularly if your brown or black.
"Autistic man lives here. Cops no excuse" painted by a mother on Henderson home. She says she's protecting son @KTNV
1:09 PM - 31 Aug 2016
Per Lesley Marin's article about this:
6:55 PM, Aug 31, 2016
"Autistic Man Lives Here Cops No Excuse" is painted on the garage of a Henderson home.
There are dozens of other signs plastered across the house that read much like warnings for police.
"I wanted to make sure that they knew everything. That he is still in diapers, doesn't understand words, doesn't understand what a gun is," said mother Judy McKim.
McKim posted the signs after she said her severely autistic son, Zachary, was assaulted by police.
"He's autistic, he doesn't know what is happening. He doesn't know what police is," McKim said.
According to McKim, a friend called police after witnessing her 28-year-old Zachary in a "rage." When police arrived to the home, McKim said they tried to restrain him.
"He is in a diaper, along with the pacifier, and the cops are kneeling on my son and one of them reaches for his gun because Zach was fighting for his life," said McKim.
13 Action News did reach out to Henderson police. According to the police report, officer never stated they touched Zachary. He was taken to the hospital and held for two days, but no charges were filed against him.
Since hearing about our story, Henderson police have reached out to McKim to further investigate the incident.
She said she hopes her story will now help other autistic families.
"I don't like doing this. I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that everyone knows, I'm embarrassed that I'm on TV. I'm embarrassed that you guys are seeing my life, but that's reality," McKim said.
McKim adopted Zachary when he was two days old. She has been his caretaker ever since and said she can't imagine losing her son.
"It scared me this bad," McKim said.
Well that’s just fucking heartbreaking.
It hurts my heart too. I hope her son becomes known in their town because of this and his mother never has to fear for his safety again.
I live in Henderson. I was shocked to hear that this house is here but I'm also not surprised. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. I understand why she would do this.
In a society that thinks not complying should be a death sentence, this is what you get. This is my biggest fear with my nonverbal son. He’s more likely to hug a cop than hurt him but he also doesn’t know what property or trespassing is. And if he gets held down he will fight to get up because he’s scared.
I’ve talked about this on social media before and was told I just need to be constantly with him forever. Gee thanks.
Unfortunately just being with him won't help. If police escalate a situation with him there's nothing you can say or do to stop them. They will ignore you and order you to shut up and stay back while they assault him because he isn't 'complying'.
The best thing you can do is to talk to every cop in your area and introduce your son. Explain everything to them when there is no situation. If they know him and understand his needs, they are less likely to escalate a future situation
This would be good advice for her if cops actually engaged with the community. Where I live, nobody knows who any of the local cops are. Sometimes you see them in the gas station, but it's always different people.
The only time you interact with them is when you get detained.
My brother is substantially autistic - not to this degree, but to the degree that he'd be extremely confused and terrified of a police encounter, and almost certainly wouldn't be able to follow their detailed commands.
And police are the people I fear the most when I think of his safety. I don't worry about any other segment of the population doing him any harm - only the cops.
Just a few weeks ago, he had the cops called on him just for walking around a neighborhood. Luckily he was gone by the time they showed up, but still...it feels like it's just a matter of time and all we can do is drill him on what to do (if a policeman starts yelling at him, lie down, hands out, don't move, don't get up) and hope that he has good luck and gets a good cap rather than a jumpy asshole.
I'm a new attorney at a PD's office, I've had a number of autistic clients--mostly disorderly conduct charges from incidents at home. Usually the DAs end up dismissing these cases, but it's shocking that they charge these cases in the first place (police recommend charges to the DAs office, and a DA/ADA has to actually file the charges).
Multiple families have told me that they'll never call the police again for help--local police have said that it's okay for autistic families to call if there's an incident, and that officers won't arrest someone who's having an autistic incident.
I don't blame the families. I wouldn't trust the police, either.
Would it be an option to have him meet with local officers once in a while so he gets to see the uniforms, cars etc? Maybe even playfully practice some 'commands'? Give him a certificate or whatever? Kinda like a playful prep for if he ever gets in a real situation?
Yeah, that has crossed my mind as well. Also just letting the local cops know who he is, getting his face out there, so that they might remember him if they encounter him.
seems like a good idea. From what I know people with severe autism have trouble dealing with unknown situations, so making "encounter with police" a known situation seems like a reasonable solution.
Sometimes they don't want to participate in that type of meeting. I am the parent of a severely autistic child and my friend who also has a severely autistic child attempted to notify local police who we was in case of elopement they were all "No thanks". Thankfully, another parent at our school I know who is a police officer does education to reduce these types of occurrences.
I remember watching a video of a police officer yelling at a drunk couple. I don't remember why the police were there (I think the kids were just fucking around and annoying neighbors). The officer kept screaming at the guy to keep his hands in the air, and then told him to crawl forward. He was obviously scared and crying and drunk. He put his hands down in order to crawl forward and the cop shot him dead.
Disabled people get killed and mistreated by the police at a disportionate rate because cops are improperly trained. Some cops who actually try to approaching a situation rationally get fired. I have very little faith in our system.
Weren't there also cases of cops yelling conflicting orders and then shot the person for not complying? Like one cop yelling over the other.
It wouldn't surprise me. I just pray I'm never in that situation, because I have an Auditory Processing Disorder that makes it hard for me to understand when others are speaking to me. I've already pissed off TSA agents for not immediately complying with instructions because I couldn't process the words properly.
You're thinking of Daniel Shaver. He was a pest control guy. They told him to crawl and he reached back to pull up his pants or something, and was shot 5 times. Body cam footage and everything, and the cop was found not guilty.
It's more stuff like this that scares me:
Laying down with his hands up, yelling "HE'S AUTISTIC, DON'T KILL HIM. HE'S IN MY CARE." And they shoot the guy laying down.
Yup, that's the one. I couldn't believe it when the cop got off. It's fucking disgusting.
Similar issue I recall at a hotel in Arizona. If I am recalling the story correctly a guy was working as an exterminator. He had a pellet gun and he either pointed it out the window or someone saw him with it through the window.
Cops called. Guy comes out of his room, hands up, unarmed. Cop desperately wants to kill him from the word go. Can’t spit out his commands. Guy messes up a few times. Whole time, the guy is begging and sobbing please don’t kill me.
Spoiler: he’s fucking dead now.
It was so clear the cop was going to shoot him from the start. They purposely kept saying confusing shit to him. How would anyone be able to crawl forward on their knees with their hands behind their back. they knew he’d put his hands in front of him when he started to fall and they’d shoot him. That cop was a piece of shit before that and still got off.
He was taken to the hospital and held for two days, but no charges were filed against him.
Weird how they managed to hold him for 2 days but also never touched him.
Am I missing something or does that sound like "are you fucking kidding me" levels of contradiction"?
We never touched him
He had to spend two days in the hospital
Was it a hold for mental evaluation or something? Just sounds shady as fuck like what are you saying? He threw himself down on the ground and started thrashing and flailing causing injury to himself?
My son is 13 years old, on the spectrum, and massive for his age. I worry about this CONSTANTLY
Depending on where you are living, Cops have database and can put a notice on your address about your Son. Cops also often have the same district to patrol, so maybe you could contact them so they can meet your son. (It may be good for your son to meet one so he's not too scared if something happens)
My Cousin is a Cop and he knows where people with special needs are living in his District.
Thank you. My city contracts the county sheriffs dept to police our town so i doubt they have a database, but I'm certainly going to check.
Regardless of agency, most CAD (computer aided dispatch) systems have the ability to put flags on addresses with pertinent information that is visible to the dispatcher and on the cop's MDC in their vehicle.
I don't think that will actually matter in practice. Remember the shooting of the caretaker of an autistic man, and the cops were straight out told the kid was ausistic by the hospital staff?
Shit gets more complicated too, when you look at all the caretakers (usually parents) who are assaulted by their charges.
Makes me think of a little black kid I worked with who was autistic. Incredibly sweet most of the time but when he got mad he got mad. Cursing, kicking, hitting, pinching. He was just lashing out the only way he knew how from his shitty home life.
At 8 he was already a big kid. If he keeps up the growing, by 18 he's going to look like an NFL linebacker and I am afraid for him should he ever have one of those tantrums in public.
I work in mental health in secure hospitals and we had a really big teenager that was similar. For the most part he was docile and kind but too much because he really liked me, wanted me to be his mom and would call me mom sometimes (it happens a lot with the kids I work with). That was ok because I could always remind him of boundaries and stuff, no issue. Once however, we had a got a new patient in and this new kid was acting out and called me a bitch. Whatever, it happens all the time. Well my giant autistic teen didn’t like that and attacked. I’m not a small girl but I literally had to jump towards his back to put him in the protective hold, because he didn’t realize it was me, he let the new kid go and bashed me against the wall with his back.
I was bruised all over my body basically. That’s not even the worst part though. The worst part was when he calmed down and realized it was me and saw that I was bleeding (I think my finger scraped a key or badge I was wearing), he cried. Like not just a little cry but wailed how he hurt his momma and he was sorry. Started punching himself in the gut. It was awful.
Kids act that way all the time so I’m used to it. I’m not used to them being so angry/broken hearted at themselves for it. They ended up moving me to a different unit for a bit because the bruises caused him so much distress. It sucks because this is just life for many people and as the caregivers we know what we signed up for. We expect to be beaten, bit, slapped and shoved. We chose that when we chose this job, what no one chooses is to do all that work and then your patient is killed by police. It’s never happened to me but I would be devastated.
I mean yeah we are assaulted pretty regularly, but I also get hugs and arts and crafts. I get silly kids calling me mom (no matter how many times I correct them lol). I get to see the joy when they pass milestones and when they are reunited with family. It balances out.
Big hugs. You're doing what most couldn't. Thank you for everything you do for those you work with.
Jesus that was heartbreaking to read. Thank you for the work you do.
:,D you're doing God's work
It's not PC by any means, but I've worked with a few autistic and mentally impaired kids, and "retard strength" is totally a thing. They can get downright scary even if they aren't big. Best of luck to him
I don't think that's a thing. I think they have the same strength as what is average for their age group and the difference lies in lack of inhibition. If you don't understand the impact of violence, when you lash out you'll lash out HARD, without regard for consequences.
Just seems like a more plausible explanation than some sort of bizarre negative correlation between intellectual ability and physical strength.
My cousin (27M) has down's syndrome and it takes his dad, who is a tank, to hold him back if he has a burst of rage.
When I was ~16, I had to babysit him one time and it was the scariest thing of my life. He's only a year younger than me and I'm admittedly pretty slim, but even with me and my brother holding him back we had a lot of trouble. This was also the last time we ever left him 'alone' without a proper handler or his parents.
I know it's a personal experience and doesn't represent the situation at whole... but, just felt like sharing I guess.
As someone below said, it's maybe accurate.
it's that empathy in non-spectrum humans influences their application of maximum force - they literally hold back for fear of hurting someone in spite of being in a stressed situation. A deficiency in empathy means spectrum humans apply maximum force, often to devastating effect.
Yea I don't think they're actually stronger. It just feels that way
Once I was at an arcade for my highschool senior send off event and there was a punching machine. At the time I had very little arm strength, but I knew how to move my whole body weight into it. A bunch of jocks jumped in and we were going for the highest score. I had the high score for most of the night despite being below average in strength for the group. The thing that kept me ahead was just being able to (temporarilly) override the fear of getting hurt. It adds a lot of extra punch (literally) to what you do if you don't think about the consequences at alll
It's not so much an actual physical capability, it's that empathy in non-spectrum humans influences their application of maximum force - they literally hold back for fear of hurting someone in spite of being in a stressed situation. A deficiency in empathy means spectrum humans apply maximum force, often to devastating effect.
Bottom line, it you don't imagine pain in someone else you can very, very easily fuck someone up badly without any intent to do so.
Very true. My buddy runs a transportation service for special ed students and he’s definitely had some challenges getting certain students under control. Keep in mind my buddy is 6’5” and about 3 bills.
Do you know for a fact that his home life was shitty? My son's on the spectrum, and he has a pretty great home life--BUT because he has a hard time vocalizing things, he tends to push, shove, etc., when he is frustrated. We do our best to explain to him that he needs to be gentle, but I can tell how frustrated he is, and unfortunately minor physical aggression is the easiest way he has to express himself.
I have two of these Safety Alert stickers on the door that say there is an Autistic Person who may not respond to verbal commands. I hope it's enough if ever needed.
I used to work with a functioning autistic woman. She was in a job training program. She was at her therapy 2 hours early, because that's how public transportation works sometimes, and the cops were called because she was "suspicious." she was slammed into the sidewalk face first and taken to jail... She did literally nothing wrong and simply couldn't understand the situation due to a mental handicap. It's fucked up. I know EXACTLY why they need this sign.
My husband's late wife had Alzheimers, one night she got up and called 911 and said there was a naked man in her bed. They asked her if there were guns in the house, she said yes in the bedroom. My husband gets woken up by a flashlight shining in his face by a cop whose hand was on his gun. He talks with cop, explains his wife has alzheimers, so cops leave. He then had to notify the local police station about his wife's having alzheimers so that situation didn't happen again. I can't imagine if a trigger happy cop made the wrong decision on that situation.
That’s a tough situation all around.
The wife doesn’t know better, and the cop is told there’s a home intruder in a room with weapons.
Glad it worked out ok.
My daughter is still young, but has similar cognitive delays. She is very active, wanders from home and we've had to call police for help to find her. The last time, the officer who came to the house while other we're searching with my husband told me, while I was in panicked tears, that we needed to be more careful (despite several layers of locks on doors, etc.), Stop being "cheap" waiting for insurance to provide a tracking device, and that we should reconsider the adoption of our (developmentally typical, quietly sitting on the couch in earshot) son "because its obvious you have your hands full."
Please be patient with those of us who are parenting children who are different. It's really, really hard. We feel defeated a lot. We're sad, embarrassed, angry, frustrated a lot. Our kids are complicated, but still our babies. We are usually doing the best we can that day.
Fuck that police officer.
For anyone who thinks this is absurd and isn't necessary, remember what happened to Charles Kinsley:
On July 18, 2016, Charles Kinsey, a mental health therapist, was shot by police in North Miami, Florida. Kinsey, an African-American man, had been retrieving his autistic 23-year-old patient, Arnaldo Rios Soto, who had wandered from his group home. Police encountered the pair while searching for an armed suicidal man. Kinsey was lying on the ground with his hands in the air and trying to negotiate between officers and his patient when he was shot.
Both Kinsey and his patient were unarmed. Following the shooting, Kinsey stated he was handcuffed and left bleeding on the ground for 20 minutes with police giving him no medical aid. Authorities stated that they were investigating the incident, which received significant media attention following the appearance of cellphone video footage. The officer who shot Kinsey was arrested in 2017 and charged with attempted manslaughter and negligence. However, he remains employed and has not been terminated.
The officer also KNEW that the object in Soto's hands had been identified as a toy truck, and shot anyway. During the trial when asked why he shot Kinsey, he replied with "I don't know." He was acquitted a few weeks ago.
I just knew there was a good ending to this story...
However, he remains employed and has not been terminated
I'm getting a Med Alert bracelet that specifically lists my mental illnesses in hope that if something bad happens someone may look at it and understand. My Mom and Dad have drilled into me when you deal with a cop it's "yes sir, no sir, I don't know sir."
Like the big rear decal for your car that reads “I’m not resisting. I have no weapon. I am deaf”
911 Dispatcher here. We can flag homes and even names and IDs with special flags and BOLOs for situations like this. Being proactive by contacting the police department or, even better for my area, the 911 Emergency Response Center, will help everyone involved so a tragedy can be prevented.
My brother is schizophrenic and sometimes goes through paranoid cycles. One time a cop syopped him and he refused to get out because he was convinced everyone wanted to kill him. Thankfully the police were patient and contacted family to help in the situation bit it could have gone very badly.
I’ve worked with law enforcement. Most CAD systems will allow for the Pd to put notes on an address. Then whenever an officer is dispatched to that address a pop up comes up for dispatch to relay info to the responding officer. We had them for elderly, special needs, aggressive animals. If there was something important to know BEFORE we got on site, we could document it in house to avoid stuff like this.
DO NOT AUTISTIC
Also mental disorders, I’ve seen a girl who is schizophrenic and she keeps getting arrested for “public intoxication” and “resisting arrest” in Alabama. She’s resisting arrest because she’s not drunk or high, but police can’t tell the difference. She also can’t get help because she lives in the United States of America.