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I grew up in Alabama. Raised in a traditional Southern Baptist home. I moved to the Carolinas after college, met my wife, and we got pregnant a few years ago. At the anatomy scan we found out that our child had multiple issues and were told he would most likely be a stillborn... best case, he could potentially live for a few minutes after birth. It was also explained that there was little chance of a miscarriage, and we would almost definitely go to term with the child if we decided to go that route.
After considering the situation, my wife and I decided to terminate the pregnancy by inducing at 24 weeks. What a terrible position to be in. We had already surpassed the allotted time to do so in NC, so we had to travel to TN and make a quick decision before we had to travel out of the south to another state that would allow this given how far along my wife was in the pregnancy.
My family was very much opposed to this. I explained that if we didn't go this route, I'd not only lose my child either way, but most likely a part of my wife forever. Can you imagine if we went to full term knowing that the child we were carrying wasn't going to make it? People would undoubtedly congratulate us, ask the due date, etc... and what were we to do, explain the whole situation? Of course not, it would be so tough to take it with a smile and put on a brave face.
Alabama needs to grow the eff up and quit thinking with such small mindedness. Consider reasons for abortion and understand that the vast majority of women seeking this option aren't getting pregnant and having abortions due to lack of responsibility and recklessness. To the Christians out there who are pro-life and cast a broad view that abortion is wrong no matter what, please take a hard look at this. My wife and I had a chat with God about this. We were content with our decision. No one can tell us otherwise.
Oh and on 1/2/19, just 1.5 years after this terrible scenario played out, we gave birth to a beautiful, healthy son! There is 100% zero chance he would be in our lives today if we did not make the decision that we did.
Congratulations on your son. I’m glad you and your wife were able to make what was most likely the hardest decision of your life to save yourselves and make it possible for him to exist. You sound like amazing parents.
I think these Alabama “lawmakers” (not just them, I’m a Texan and we have all kinds of nuts here) picture every person that seeks an abortion as some kind of floozie that gets abortions like it’s no big thing regularly. This stupid law leaves no room for exceptions and I can’t even imagine the heartbreak it will cause. I hope they are made a laughing stock and the fine people of Alabama (they exist!) do something about this in election season.
I’m not even that liberal, just a little bit. I don’t get how anyone can be so ridiculously cruel.
Good luck to you, thanks for sharing your story.
You know why they don’t have an exception for rape and incest?
That was one of the exceptions that was the reason for Roe v Wade.
Basically you should not have to disclose to the government that you were raped or the reasons for why you want an abortion to justify it. You have a right to privacy.
So a blanket ban might just pass the courts because those exceptions don’t apply.
Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.
This was my WTF moment from the article.
women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant,"
what does that even mean
She can still have an abortion if she doesn’t know she is pregnant? So basically you just schedule them out every two weeks or so just to make sure. It’s like a dental cleaning but more often.
Or, you know... They start doing pregnancy tests and just don't tell the patient what the results are. If they're pregnant, just ask them if they'd like an abortion today.
If the law states that the only thing limiting a person from an abortion is the knowledge of being pregnant then this is a good loophole.
Still, this law and argument is fucking mind blowing. How do you even say something like that with a straight face.
With a feeling of self righteousness because religion.
Catch 22. If you don't know you're pregnant you can have an abortion, but as soon as you find out you want one you can no longer have it.
I would be interested to see how that goes down at the clinic too.
"Hi, I would like an abortion."
"Yes, of course! but first, are you pregnant?"
"I have no idea."
"come right this way."
"but first, are you pregnant?"
"Oh no, I'm not falling for that one again."
"Smart move, come this way"
" I don't know, but if I am, don't tell me. Just do it."
Seems like everyone should just have preventative abortions every month or so, just in case. Easy peasy.
I know this is horrible but this thread was legitimately hilarious
That's some catch, that catch 22.
It means he's a stupid asshole who doesn't know how women's bodies function.
But even in his own dumb head, how does that statement make any sense
He probably thinks emergency contraception is also an abortion (it's not).
EDIT: Thanks for the silver, kind stranger!
This is the most likely answer, imo.
It also means they're gonna try and ban Plan B soon.
and then after that it's birth control
...after that they'll ban pulling out
The “No Seed Wasted” Bill will also ban masturbation.
Edit: It’s a joke, click to view the replies
ITs all a systematic attack on Roe v Wade.
for those that dont know;
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion, while also ruling that this right is not absolute and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life
By removing Roe v Wade, they are changing the constitution. Something that the world was told was impossible to do when it comes to gun control. But here republicans have no qualms about changing the constitution. Anyways.
Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Court on January 22, 1973. Today, 73% of Americans don’t want to see Roe v. Wade overturned. Republican voters included.
If Roe v. Wade is overturned or further eroded, one-third of all women of reproductive age in America could lose the ability to access abortion in their state.
Abortion is health care. Before this health care was legal and safe, illegal abortions caused at least 1 in 6 pregnancy-related deaths.
Abortion is common. Nearly 1 in 4 women in America will have an abortion during her lifetime. Where will these women go if Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion is outlawed in their state?
Overturning Roe v. Wade would put more than 25 million women at risk of losing access to abortion — more than a third of women of reproductive age in this country.
I mean its goood to have a laugh, but 2016 was told by everyone to be the year voting was the most important because supreme court seats were up. And the next leadership in congress senate and presidency would dictate not only the next 3 years of action but next 50 years of consequences. This is going to be one of those consequences, there will be states that will ban abortion and decent access to healthcare for minorities. Were women will have to resort to coat hangers in allyways once again. Land of the free. what a joke.
Apathy is a dangerous stance.
Look at the Ohio law: they also consider anything that prevents implantation in the uterine wall an abortion.
This is seriously a wtf moment in our history.
So , what about embyros that are created in IVF
Its very common that when a women goes for IVF they harvest mutlple eggs and create several embyros , because the first ones may or may not take
Usually the un-used embryos are destroyed , is this murder now?
Creating embryos that you never intend to implant qualifies as preventing implantation dosent it ?
By choosing to destroy them you are preventing them from being implanted
I'm trying to dig up the source but one male Senator or Rep said that IVF embryos don't fall under the law and he only cares about those that live within a woman.
This is 100% about controlling women and their bodies and they'll go to any length to do so.
/u/lord_qwedsw found it.
Well, multiple Republican politicians have openly stated that IVF doesn't count unless it's in a "host body"
well thats fucking dumb , a fertilized egg is either a person or it isnt
getting planted in the wall of a uterus doesnt change that if you believe life begins at conception
what a bunch of hypocritical idiots
Damn, don't give them anymore ideas.
So an IUD might be considered an abortion under that?
Add it to the list. And that list is growing way too rapidly at the moment.
This is what happens when you vote for republicans because "your parents did and you're a republican family"
This hits close to home for me.
I dated a woman whose family was from Kentucky. She voted republican because they did. She knew nothing of international or national politics or current events. Simply voted the party line because that’s what her family did.
She had two children out of wedlock, no father in sight. She had Medicare for her children because her income was so low.
It was frustrating trying to explain to her that she’s voting for a political party that demonizes her.
There are so many people exactly like her in rural areas especially that vote republican. They're literally indoctrinated to the point that even thinking of voting for a democrat is akin to sinning or something.
Their Holy Trinity is Republicans, Guns, and Religion.
The fact that it's even mentioned in that context implies they would want to ban that eventually as well...wtf Alabama
It’s like Schrodinger’s Cat. Maybe there’s a baby, maybe not. Either way, it’s the woman’s responsibility to schedule a weekly abortion just to be sure. But the MINUTE she KNOWS she’s pregnant, then all bent hangers go out the window.
honestly, this would be a hilarious way to combat the new law.
"weekly abortion check up center" springing up on every corner of alabama.
He thinks that all women swing by abortion clinics on a regular basis because they have unsafe sex so often, they're literally always pregnant.
That's the only way I can think to explain his "thought" processes.
“Just give me a little off the inside, just enough to cover me for the next few weeks.”
Some people think that Plan B is an early abortion pill. In reality, Plan B only works to prevent fertilization of eggs. It doesn't cause an abortion because it does nothing to already implanted fertilized eggs. That's the same reason why you shouldn't wait until the morning after to take it.
There is some misinformation regarding Plan B's ability to prevent implantation of fertilized eggs. Taken from u/WhydoIcare6's comment:
The primary mechanism of action of levonorgestrel as a progestogen-only emergency contraceptive pill is, according to International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO), to prevent fertilization by inhibition of ovulation and thickening of cervical mucus. FIGO has stated that: "review of the evidence suggests that LNG [levonorgestreol] ECPs cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Language on implantation should not be included in LNG ECP product labeling." In November 2013, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) approved a change to the label saying it cannot prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.
Due to the misinformation around how Plan B works, as many sites erroneously claim it can stop implantation, people like this senator probably view Plan B as the earliest possible abortion.
Edit: clarity and corrections
His statement is intentionally insulting
They WANT you to know how little they care for the victim. These bills are just fuck yous to everyone who isn’t a far right evangelical.
I dunno, man, the CNN story quote I read show him to be an intellect to be reckoned with:
"You can't know that immediately, it takes some time for all those chromosomes and all that." - Clyde Chambliss
He's giving the president a run for his money on the title "dumbest elected official."
It means rapists are more welcome In Alabama than women if I'm reading this right
Isn't this the state where a shocking amount of people wanted a kiddie fiddler to lead them? Maybe they're worried they'll run out of fresh meat?
Not to lead, but to represent them in federal government. And this kind of law drains the people that voted against him out of the state.
It's a linguistic loophole to get around saying, "no protections for abortion in the case of rape or incest." just wait until an Alabama court gives parental rights to a rapist. It's going to happen
Pretty sure it's been happening already. Also pretty sure rapists can get child support from their victims, too ...
Everyone here needs to know that this is not someone that doesn’t know how pregnancy work. This is a bait bill intended to incite challenge in the courts.
By pushing through an absurd bill like this they hope to get an abortion case in front of SCOTUS, which as we know is majority R now.
The hope here is to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling.
The GOP is trying to do this right now since they have the control of the Supreme Court and can likely get a ruling in their favor. Don’t be fooled. The fact that this is happening looks like they have the idea that it’s a real possibility that it may work.
If we don’t challenge it, they’ll be able to pass more near-complete bans. If we do challenge it, there’s a fair chance Roe v. Wade will be overturned or weakened, resulting in complete bans. It’s a calculated, clever move and part of the republican national strategy. People calling the legislatures idiots don’t realize how insidious this tactic is.
The have been waiting decades for SCOTUS to flip in their favour and are going all-in immediately.
Jesus christ. I'm having flashbacks to "if it's a legitimate rape the woman's body will shut it down".
Me too. That's one of the worst things I've ever heard an official say. He apparently thinks all drug rape is not legitimate rape too, if you think about the fact there is little physical trauma to "self abort" which is a terrible and wrong view to begin with.
Yeah, he was implying that women who get pregnant from rape were secretly enjoying it.
This is actually a very old (dating back to like the 1600/1700s) belief regarding pregnancy. It was believed that both the male and female partner had to orgasm in order for pregnancy to occur. Because of this, rape cases were often only recognized if it was the classic “scary man in a bush attacks a young woman who fights back”scenario that we know today. If she was pregnant that was actually grounds to doubt it had been rape since she had to have enjoyed it. So he basically has the same understanding of female anatomy as a 17th century farmer.
Did you not see:
"With liberal states approving radical late-term and post-birth abortions, Roe must be challenged, and I am proud that Alabama is leading the way," Ainsworth tweeted on Tuesday night.
"Post-birth abortion"?? That's not a fucking thing. Why are people letting this insanity gain traction??
There is no consequence for lying lol. So they'll lie to get what they want, and still be voted back in probably. Their voting base is none the wiser.
What the fuck is wrong with these people.
"I support abortions until the 10th trimester."
I got into a debate with someone on Reddit who referred to "post-birth abortions." As much as I am amused by the idea of a child-sized electric chair, it's definitive proof these people are fucking idiots.
They say things like this crap and their Fox News followers believe them unquestioningly.
I had to leave FB because of my MiL screaming at me about "the babies! the babies!"
You should have screamed back, “Go adopt one! adopt one!”
Yes, the babies currently rotting away in overcrowded and underfunded orphanages, leading to a direct increase in crime and poverty rates. Gotta keep those babies in your thoughts and prayers, right MIL?
Just to be clear, and sort of hijack the top comment --
This is intended to be challenged in court almost immediately. The GOP is doing this in every state they can to get an abortion case in front of the Supreme Court where the seat they stole and Kavanaugh can -- they hope -- strike down Roe v. Wade.
You don't even get a 99 year prison sentence for murdering a fully grown adult most of the time. That's just absurd to hand that out to a doctor for performing an abortion.
The aspect of these types of bans that I simply do not understand is the insistence that it is the doctor who will be punished and not the mother as well. If you believe abortion is murder than isn't going to an abortion clinic akin to hiring a hitman? Its just obvious that they don't actually believe abortion is equivalent to murder.
Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant,"
Holy shit, this is actual insanity.
those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant"
Those words... is it possible to use them together in a sentence like that?
I believe he's referring to plan-B which makes sense if you believe life begins at conception, plan-B would technically be an abortion without the woman knowing if they are pregnant or not.
edit: I'm not saying it does or does not constitute an abortion, I'm simply trying to explain what I think he's is saying by viewing this topic under the context of of the Senator who was raised in a place where contraception is less socially accepted.
This is a very common pro life talking point- they consider plan b, along with many hormonal and device birth controls to be abortive, ergo murder of a living human.
Only if it prevents implantation of a fertilized egg. The main function of plan B is to prevent fertilization in the first place, though it's possible it also could prevent implantation.
My first language is not English so at first I thought I was reading the quote wrong. Then I realized that he's actually that fucking stupid.
Unfortunately, he's not stupid. He's intentionally malicious.
Or Alabama is trying to crack the market open for maintenance abortions.
So you’re fluent in ‘Murican now, I see. Congratulations and welcome to the shit show!
Did the article include the part where he said he thought they would know they were pregnant after 7 to 10 days?
Wow, the dinosaurs who pass restrictive laws on women know nothing about them. What a shocker...
Sooo much misinformation about women and their bodies.
Wait, let me get this straight. He's saying they can get abortion up until the moment they know they're pregnant, and after that they can't?
So they can only get an abortion if they don't know they're pregnant?
Does he expect women to just attempt abortions every now and then on the off chance they just got pregnant and aren't aware?
I think this means plan B. Which in his mind is a form of abortion somehow. So apparently he's expecting every female rape victim to buy a plan B pill. That's my take on it anyways.
Sure, that is wonderful news.
This condom just broke, how horrible. I'll just head to the local Planned Parenthood to get som... oh they legislated them out of existence? Ok, well then surly the hyper religious pharmacist at the local drugstore will sell me som... oh they told her she doesn't have to sell plan b to me because its against her religion? Oh, OK I'll have the baby and use some of the social safety nets to help take care of the forced baby I can't affo... Oh, they took those away too? Well at least my new baby will grow up learning about safe sex in scho... oh, they're not allowed to teach that.
Edit: thank you for the gold kind stranger!
Yeah but he's probably against birth control too so what the fuck
49th in education, baby! Woo!
"With liberal states approving radical late-term and post-birth abortions, Roe must be challenged, and I am proud that Alabama is leading the way,"
Post birth abortions? What?
We live in a post-truth country. They no longer care about pretending to tell the truth... their base won't listen to anything that would contradict them and wouldn't care about whether their representatives lied even if they did.
Trunp fed people that fucking moronic line about women giving birth, wrapping the baby up nicely in a blanket, then taking it away to be executed.
can't imagine being the person having to tell a 12 year-old rape victim that she has to carry her rapist's child to term.
Alabama also has a law that allows rapists to assert parental rights. So a rape victim forced to carry a rapist's child will now be forced to have that rapist in their life.
Even without shared custody, could you imagine having to interact with your assaulter to plan when the child goes where and how to transfer? Talk about a fucking nightmare.
Uh. And letting your child stay with a rapist, which seems even worse.
Fuck me I didn’t even think about that. What a shitshow.
Yeah, pretty much. Alabama is basically pro rape when you look at their laws pertaining to it.
How long in jail would one actually get if convicted? Probably not long?
Less than 1% get jailtime, so it's really not a worry. And if you do get convicted it's something between 10 days and 2 years usually.
What do they do if that child is carried to term, grows up and they rape them? Like a GOT Crastor‘s Keep? Where the fuck is the jail time???
From what I'm reading, that child has to carry that child or be put in jail. Im being hyperbolic of course, but jail time for rapists in Alabama seems to have the same consequences as white collar crime through out American.
Cool. The pro-rape state.
"It's all part of God's plan!"
idk if you were trying to be sarcastic but yes, this is precisely the argument. Or, more specifically, "God turns all things for good (for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose)." parentheticals mine
TFW you start ruining people's lives in your crusade to show them God's Love.
Sinful rapist gets girl pregnant
It's God's plan
Sinful girl gets abortion
It's G- whOA HOLD ON THERE, SLUT
Oh yeah and don't forget, the rapist gets a relaxed penalty because he closed his eyes and said "I'm sorry."
No Exceptions for rape or incest! \Unless you're the daughter of a politician or someone exceptionally wealthy**
Most pro-lifers have 4 exceptions: rape, incest, life of the mother, and me/my daughter/my girlfriend. Now it's only 2 exceptions I guess.
And their mistress don't forget about the mistresses!
If only we knew exactly how many abortions Trump has paid for in the past.
Tbh if Trump were running/ran as a Dem he would be pro choice.
He's just a drum major who likes to find a parade he can jump in front of. He doesn't really care what the parade stands for. He likes to hear people cheering, and likes to think the cheering is all about him.
"I don't stand by anything." - President Donald J Trump.
He did and was. He just flip flops a lot.
Given the application to an 11 year old, I'm going with just the one exception
Hey sport! Not only did you get raped but you have to possibly die in childbirth too! I could get you medical intervention, but I won't. This is so that I can earn Jesus PointsTM and get into heaven, all at your expense. Love ya!
I mean, the exceptionally wealthy can probably afford to go wherever they want, anyway. So, there's that.
They can also afford to buy the law and get away with whatever they want. They will no doubt have access to private clinics that are in violation of the law, and have enough influence that they will never be prosecuted.
Great, one of the poorest states is making it more likely that people will keep multiplying, making dependence on the government even more prevalent.
In all seriousness, what the fuck.
The irony is that Republicans show a lot of disdain for those who rely on “hand outs” as they call it by the government. Yet they pass bull shit laws like this that make it more likely to be prevalent. Fucking backwards idiots.
The irony is that Republicans show a lot of disdain for those who rely on “hand outs” as they call it by the government.
Republicans are fine with hand outs, as long as the right people are getting them. You know, "Real Americans".
Everyone: Maybe make an exception for Rape and Incest?
Alabama: Why? What’s wrong with that?
Why? What’s wrong with that?
I had a cowoker say even if his own brother raped his daughter and she need an abortion he would disown her before him. Typical uneducated religious asshole.
Edit: OK. To answer the same question, I along with everyone else in the room said "what the fuck is wrong with you?" He gave a nervous chuckle and walked out of the room. He stays pretty silent these days when anyone remotely brings up politics.
I cannot even comprehend this!
Because in religious mentality, an abortion is killing something God wanted you to have. Even in the case of rape or incest, God wanted you to have that child. So you shouldn't abort it, or you'd be disobeying God.
It's batshit insane, but it's religion.
Their birth rate would drop?
You have to love it when th state that is ranked 49th in education is now passing laws that will increase the young child population. You cant even take care of the ones you have why would you want more bought into this world?
that's their goal though, not a failure. would an educated population vote the same way?
They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.
Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!
Yup. It’s a feature, not a bug.
Alabama: Six weeks gestation (two-week-old) embryos shall be granted all of the legal rights entitled to a child in this country.
14th Amendment: Two-week-old embryos on American soil are now granted US citizenship.
Alabama: Wait, no, not like that.
Want to get out of jail? Get pregnant. You can’t imprison an innocent person with full legal rights, especially without a trial.
Get out of ~8mos of child support payments too. Kid's life started at 6 weeks right?
Also, if mom goes on vacation in Mexico while 6wks pregnant, is she now harboring an undocumented immigrant? After all, personhood started then.
Even better: The 14th amendment grants citizenship "to those born under US jurisdiction". Laws cannot reasonably be enforced against a fetus. Therefore, they are not under US Jurisdiction. Are all Alabama babies no longer subject to birthright citizenship?
Renames school shootings "Post-term abortion"
Rename Alabama schools to Uterus and maybe they'll start to care about the kids inside them.
This is not about Alabama. Yes the state is near the bottom on education and health outcomes, is run by Republicans, and is extremely make-fun-of-able, every comment is right about that.
But the bills architects EXPLICITLY say in this article: This is about overturning Roe for the entire nation.
They made the bill as extreme as possible so that it WILL be challenged and they hope go all the way to the Supreme Court, where Trump has filled Obama’s open seat with noted friend-of-women Brett Kavanaugh, and where we can see which way any partisan decisions are falling lately.
Edit: Gorsuch, THEN Kavanaugh. Thanks u/JaredRed5
As a woman in a blue state, this is terrifying. What does the future hold? I do not want an abortion, I'm happily married, but what if I got pregnant and the fetus is unviable? What if I have triplets and need to terminate one to save the other two? Is there a possibility these men will affect my care? I've worked hard my whole life to get a career so I can get insurance and have the best possible healthcare. Does that even matter anymore? I played by the rules, now the rules are threatening change.
Ok so I'll give you the worst case for you. You will see very little in changes if roe is taken away. Abortion will be protected in blue states that allow it, it's the 30 or so states that already have laws waiting for roe to be tossed that will ban abortion immediately. In this hypothetical, in these states if you lived there I'd be telling you to move.
It's insane that you might have to really think about what state you live in based on access to a medical procedure that you don't know if you or a loved one might need, but could irrevocably impact your life.
Obama's open seat was filled by Gorsuch. Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy. But your point still stands.
And defeated an amendment that would have provided medical care for the first three years of the child. Pro-life, from conception right up through the moment of birth. After that, let ‘em die.
Isn't that ironic...
It's the infant's choice to be born to an unwanting mother, infants must face the consequences of their choices. It's the Republican way!
God forbids a society caring for one another, taking care of the most vulnerable: children, elderly, sick, and poor. Dog eat dog world. I got mine, Fuck you. (pssst pass some more farm subsidies please).
Unfortunately, this really comes down to old men who, decades ago, had more control over women. These bills are in response to the fact that they have lost control over women over time. Now they are grasping at straws and will even go as far as to tell rape victims that they can’t get abortions to maintain some semblance of control over them. A man put a baby in you against your will? Well that’s just our male God’s plan so we’ll throw you in jail if you do anything about it.
fuck yeah... pull yerself up by yer own um-biblical chord y'all
Welcome to the new dark ages
The main proponent of the bill has also said his intention is to use this as a vessel to help overturn Roe v. Wade.
Thats exactly why all these abortion bills are coming out now. They've got the boofmaster general on the SCOTUS, they've got a decent crack at Roe v Wade.
IF they can make it out of the state system. Which is along course and where all of these previous bills have already died because to many have made it to the supreme court already.
Oh it'll be challenged. This bills will be a massive waste of taxpayer resources and will negatively impact the economy whether they pass or don't. But the GOP is steadfast in its willingness to kneecap itself in service of a stupid agenda that profits no one, and I've learned to be pessimistic about these things. The bill got this far, it can go farther.
This grants 2 week old fetuses full legal rights.
You usually can't tell you're pregnant until like six weeks.
So in order to enforce this, they must assume every adult woman is pregnant at all times.
14th amendment grants citizenship to every person who starts their life in the US, and now life starts at pregnancy, which we've established is always assumed...
I think this makes it illegal to deport any woman who's ever been to Alabama.
47th healthiest state, 45th in economic opportunity, 45th in income per capita, 50th in education, 45th in obesity.
Yup, abortion is definitely the biggest problem they should be so focused on in that state.
This will further the exodus of smart young people and absolutely prevent any corporations from even considering locating in Alabama (regardless of any state incentives offered). They've made everything on that list worse today.
Just to give people an idea of the language in these legislative bills, here is some text from Alabama HB314:
(i) It is estimated that 6,000,000 Jewish people were murdered in German concentration camps during World War II; 3,000,000 people were executed by Joseph Stalin's regime in Soviet gulags; 2,500,000 people were murdered during the Chinese "Great Leap Forward" in 1958; 1,500,000 to 3,000,000 people were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia during the 1970s; and approximately 1,000,000 people were murdered during the Rwandan genocide in 1994. All of these are widely acknowledged to have been crimes against humanity. By comparison, more than 50 million babies have been aborted in the United States since the Roe decision in 1973, more than three times the number who were killed in German death camps, Chinese purges, Stalin's gulags, Cambodian killing fields, and the Rwandan genocide combined.
I heard some people compare these 'heartbeat bills' to the totalitarian dystopia of The Handmaid's Tale and it's fucking terrifying.
I didnt know backstory/support was written into legislative bills. Thats weird as fuck.
So making abortions illegal is supposed to stop them from happening, but banning guns wouldn’t prevent mass shootings because criminals would still find a way? Got it.
I’m not anti-2a. I just find the arguments used to defend it make good contrast when used here.
Reporter: Are they going to provide any resources for these women, if they have to raise their rapist's child and also now have to face him for the rest of their life because he is the parent and has parental rights?
I had a baby 9 months ago. A baby we planned for, living in our middle class neighborhood in a house we own, with white color jobs, good insurance, and family support.
I love my baby more than anything in this world. When I truly think and really feel how much I love her it’s too much to process and I literally cry.
Now listen. I am even more pro-choice than I was before having her. Even an easy pregnancy is HARD. My body is still recovering and will never be the same. It effects your physical health, mental health. It effects your job, your finances, your relationships.
From week 6 to week 41 I was a different type of ill. Morning sickness, pelvic pain, back pain, heart burn, swollen feet, higher blood pressure, random tachycardia, constipation, hemorrhoids.
You have biweekly to weekly appointments (time off work + cost of appointments), ultrasounds (transvaginal in the beginning - basically a dildo sized wand inserted so yeah that might be traumatic for a rape victim). There are separate blood tests (more time off). Then there are the unexpected ER visits (unusual pain, bleeding, suspected anmiotic fluid leaking). That’s a bigger bill and even more time suddenly off work.
Then you get to deliver, best case scenario you are in excruciating pain for 12 hrs, experience no tearing when pushing a 7 pound baby out of a 10cm hole, and have no other infections (from retained products of conception). Bad case you may need to be induced for 30+ hours, have your abdomen sliced open while you’re awake so you can feel the disturbing feeling of 7lbs of your body yanked out of you (it’s truly an awful wet suction feeling that gave me ptsd).
Worst case scenario you hemorrhage and die.
Afterwards you’re flooded with hormones that literally turn you into a depressed, anxious shell of who you were. Your husband will look at you with a hint of panic in his eyes as you sob uncontrollably, you continue to wail in the shower. If you’re lucky these cutely named “baby blues” settle down after a few weeks. If not you may have ppa/ppd and need medication and counseling (more money, more time off work).
You need help pulling up your pants (adult diapers) for a week. You bleed heavily for several weeks. You likely have stitches on your taint or abdomen. It takes 6-8 weeks just to heal enough to resume normal activities. But your stomach is still an empty sort of bloated. The skin is saggy and covered in stretch marks. You may have to deal with mastitis (breast infection) requiring antibiotics (more time off).
Your hair falls out by the fistful, the hair on the side of your head is now bald. Your self confidence reaches an all time low as you look in the mirror at a fat, marked, balding version of yourself.
Months later things still don’t feel quite right. Pelvic floor issues, diastasis recti, wider hips, bigger feet, saggier breasts, incontinence.
For people that think adoption is the answer.... This is all just from carrying and birthing a baby, not taking into account the actual caretaking of a baby. The sleepless night, bloody nipples, expensive diapers, more doctors appointments (time off work), cost of daycare (mines $265/week!!).
Adoption is not an answer. Not until we have guaranteed paid maternity leave so we can recover. Too many women resume within 1-2 weeks of giving birth. Companies can avoid FMLA, most don’t offer any paid time off. Most people get what, one week of sick time for all those appointments.
Nevermind, the atrocious problems our already under funded foster care system faces that leads to rampant abuse.
There are just so many problems with our country as it relates to Women and Children.
Want to reduce the number of abortions?
Free healthcare Free/low cost birth control Actual sex education in public schools Paid Maternity leave Low cost childcare
Support for mother’s and give a good-goddamn about the children once they’re here. Spend more on education.
But you go on ahead and plug your ears and repeat, “Keep your legs closed!”, “Pull yourself up from your boot straps!”. Ignore the fact that a lot of other people out there have experiences different from you.
I on the other hand cannot. I am blessed everyday that my sacrifices minimal. My baby is a blessing to my life, but in a different situation she would be an absolute burden. Young women, poor women, women in abusive relationships, single women, women with genetic traits they wouldn’t want to pass on, women with too many kids already, raped women, women with no support, mentally ill women, women that know they would be bad parents, ALL women deserve the right to choose.
Edit: Wow my first Reddit Silver and Gold! Thank you kind strangers.
" a 25 to 6 vote".
All Republicans? Or were there also 'yay' votes by Democrates for this ban.
The Senate is 27 R, 8 D, so I'd guess right along party lines with 2 abstaining per party.
Please check out the stats on how many women died before Roe
Legal abortion also has a lower risk of death than does childbearing. Using even conservative data, the comparison of mortality rates reveals that terminating a pregnancy through legally induced abortion is 7 times safter than carrying the pregnancy to term.
Something about safety of the mother?
I'm scared. With all these states passing 6-week or less abortion bans. My state is considering a similar one.
I don't want kids due to personal reasons.
My doctor won't tie my tubes because I'm too young (I'm in my mid-20s)
I can't take birth control due to health reasons.
I use condoms routinely BUT I've already had one break once and immediately took Plan B.
All it takes is one time to get pregnant. I have irregular cycles. I wouldn't know by the 6 week limit.
I would be forced to risk my own health to carry and birth a child, take time off work, pay thousands and thousands in medical bills, to give away the baby and further add to the Foster system crisis.
Just so a bunch of Republicans and right-wingers can feel good about themselves for "saving babies."
They don't really care what happens to the baby post-birth.
When will people realise it's about controlling women, not saving children's lives.