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Work in public service. EMS, fire or police. You’ll see life, death, be inside thousands of people’s homes. You’ll see tragedy and poverty. The best and worst of the human race.
EDIT: Teachers, social workers... even any private sector jobs that make you responsible for other’s well being and gets you out of your bubble will make you a more respectful, humbler and an all around better equipped person for society. Too many kids coming out of HS today have no clue how “it really is.”
I wish I started EMS prior to $110,000 into undergrad debt. I would’ve just become a medic and bridge to RN..
The notions of forced or “highly suggested” educational paths after a certain age are convoluted.
And I believe trying different options and having more time to grow will prevent the stress of deciding what you want to pay thousands for before you know that’s what you’d want to do
Having the option to is good. Forced labor is not. If it's compulsory then it's no longer an option.
I work in the service industry and people are fucking nasty to me and my employees. I'm not gonna lie. I'm torn. I love the options to choose. But at the same time I kinda feel like it should be forced.
I got out of the food industry because I was treated like shit by customers, I have been in horticulture for 13 years and it still amazes me how much respect I get now.
Maybe I should do the same thing, but man, I just love knowing that my food makes people happy. I'm a damn good and talented cook.
However the attitudes of these shitty, entitled customers? Man, they piss me off something fierce.
If you enjoy your job and are talented continue with your studies and excel. Most people don't know how to cook a steak, they will complain when they order it rare when in fact they want it well done. Or cover the meal in salt and ketchup before they take a bite. Don't judge yourself by the shitty, entitled customers.
Oh no no no, I don't judge me, I judge them. My resume and work references are marvelous. I got all the confidence in the world in my abilities. I've almost lost all my confidence in the general public though.
The general public can't tell their ass from their elbow. I'm glad you don't doubt yourself :) and remember to keep your elbows in lol
And how do you treat other people now? This what OP is talking about. You experience the reality and this should change you to be a better person. More humble and less entitled.
Am owner of my own business. Funny thing is that it’s a tiny family business so we have a couple of part time employees but I serve the public at a retail level. I get treated like shit. People - not all but enough - are nasty fucking animals out there. And this is in a well heeled affluent neighborhood. It’s at a seaside harbor actually. They see retail folk as subhuman and have zero respect for people’s dignity.
I think what really really throws people off is when I see one person wearing the electronic key to access the same marina where I keep my yacht on a slip and I point out “Hey we’re in the same marina!”
They cannot process that statement. It’s like I just spoke six random words in greek, chinese, and russian.
The best is when I find out their boat is smaller than mine!
that's the big one. an extra year to grow and mature would have, i think, dramatically changed my choice of college and and degree
If I had taken a gap year, it would have been a year to work on my skill and ultimately realize I didn’t want to go into music. Instead I spent $6,000 on a professional instrument and $66,000 in tuition before coming to the same realization and gathering enough courage to leave
That's fine, as long as its not mandatory
That's just what we're doing now.
OP, Buddy most trades are not 1 year courses like the one I did. They're 5 year apprenticeships
Or maybe it just shouldn’t cost $30k+. I know a lot of free market types are thinking “yeah but if college were free, then there would be no incentive to pick the ‘right’ major,” but I’m pretty sure 18 yo pick ‘non-marketable’ majors in countries with tax payer funded higher education at rates similar to the US. The difference is just our kids graduate with a $600 monthly payment to make them feel regret / shame for the next decade.
My dad talks about this all the time. Luckily he didnt have much student debt. However, after 20 years of working inner city he pretty exhausted and ready to be done. Couldve had a much easier lifestyle by bridging to nursing.
True. I am sure you have an excellent grasp of humanity and respect from working as an RN though. Especially if you've had the opportunity to work in the ER.
Thanks, it was fantastic. I miss it so much but the time commitment with a neck issue has made it a pasty of my past.
RNs run the ED. I don’t care what any physician says, hahah. Gotta be on their good side, always
Currently doing medic to RN bridge. Full time FF/medic now.
Austrian men still serve minimum 6 months of military service or 9 months in public service (ambulance, EMS, fire, or even support workers for the elderly) after completing their education. I think Switzerland also has that.
I had to serve 2 years in the military before going to university. All it made me realise is how wasteful the government is, and how i had to throw away 2 years of my life because other people liked having cheap services.
2 years of mandatory military service is just dumb. Not everyone wants to waste 2 years of their life for an organisation they may or may not support...
9 month of mandatory public service sounds so much better.
I wish we did that here in the states. I think it would bring us closer together as a society and instill values that we have long lost.
Being from a country where military service is mandatory for males, it doesn’t really bring people closer in my experience. All it does is give males a common experience to be able to relate to, at the end of the day. Of course there are those who serve their country with honor and those who serve because they have to and just want to get it over with. A lot of guys these days are being excused out of service temporarily because of school commitments as well.
Being property of the government is hardly a value worth bringing back.
If you’re just going to hone in on that aspect, then sure.
You’re ignoring the exposure to different ideas and skills that come with it. The US is huge, and even at the state level, you have diversity of people and environments that are similar if not greater than what exists in most countries.
Even so, many Americans take that for granted. 6-9 months of exposure would go a long in helping in concluding the formative years of a young adult.
Work in education. You'll see students celebrating turning in their homework and others mourning a B on a test. You'll value the effort your teachers put into you. You'll learn patience and humility. You will be frustrated that some people choose to throw away opportunities to better themselves every single day.
That’s a good one. I didn’t include it, but I think that does qualify as a public servant. I’ve always felt teachers are some of the most unappreciated people especially in the United States. I couldn’t do their job, I would absolutely lose my shit.
Yes! My wife's a teacher and I could not keep up. I volunteer a few times a year and head straight to the bar when the day ends. She comes home and jumps right in with test and homework reviews, paper reading, and planning. I make nearly three times what she does but she puts in more time and effort.
When I was in undergrad I couldn't believe how many of the professors, who work all day and do research by night, would say that their office hours were open a couple hours a day, twice a day, and to please come see them if we needed help. It really opened my eyes to how much they do. They never looked stressed out either. They were always helpful with a smile on their face.
Do they really work all day and do research by night though? I do some teaching as a part-time lecturer at a local uni, and the full-time professors are limited to teaching at most 12 hours per week (most teach less), they also don't grade assignments or laboratory classes, their assistants do. They are required to publish maybe 1 paper per year, which they usually work on during summer when there is nothing else going on. Many just supervise a phd student or lower rank professor so they can put their names below their paper as a collaborator.
I think assistants are the real MVPs here.
I went to one of the toughest science schools in the country. I majored in biochemistry so this was just my experience. I'm sure other universities are different. Most of my professors were leading the field in their research department. They were always researching and teaching every class. But you are correct about the TA's, they did a ridiculous amount of work as well. The organic chemistry TA's were by far the greatest. The amount of three hour reviews sessions they held before every exam, the videos they put out, the groups they made. Most of them were students or in graduate school as well. I don't know how they did it.
As a Canadian these are three of the most sought after jobs in the work force. You need top marks in post secondary programs plus comparable experience to even be considered for these careers.
It makes me sad that they are viewed differently elsewhere
Thanks for articulating that feeling I was having reading these comments. My friend works in mountain rescue and he is as highly respected in his community as a surgeon or pastor
As someone who actually has worked in EMS, do not work in EMS unless you're sure that's where you want to end up. It's brutal and people who do it every day deserve every bit of respect that they get.
This is true. You will find out many things about yourself when your sanity and ability to handle pressure is put to the test. It also helps put things in perspective for you. Good luck trying to offend a paramedic or EMT who have been on the job a while. It’s like trying to drown a shark.
Good luck getting into any of those without certifications, licenses, and degrees.
EMT cert is a one semester college course. Pass your national registry and get state certified and you are good to go. It’s a hop skip and and a jump from high school. How far you advance in EMS or become a medic is up to the individual.
This is a great idea, but I think some people would definitely crack under the enormous pressure in those fields... I was talking to a buddy about this (we bartend) and we thought that national service might help create a bond between people, and help establish humility. Kinda like Brazil or Israel. Or some of the Scandinavian countries. Dunno how it would work in the states. But a 2 year mandatory national service (without exemption for the children of the wealthy or powerful) would really change the attitudes of a lot of people for a lot of their lives. We were thinking probably for the better, but it could go either way I suppose. The example we argued about was the generation that fought in WW2, and how much stronger the ones who made it home became. Obviously we wouldn’t be talking about wartime service, but just like a 2 year stint in something followed a nice hearty round of basic training. I dunno. The only reason I didn’t just delete this is cause it took a couple mins to type it out
I respectfully disagree. You are right in your opinion about learning a very valuable lesson. However, the experience and “pain” of working retail is the general public. While 100% not more important than saving lives and while saving lives is definitely a crazy experience, you’re not achieving the intended goal of retail and op. We interact with retail workers on a daily basis and we undervalue them consistently across society. The way people talk and interact with retail customer service is... honestly I can’t think of the right word. The amount of times I’ve looked a customer in the eye and said “what makes you think you can talk to me this way, or any person this way?” Is crazy. For the sake of everyday interaction, i would vote retail over life saver to help fix the cultural divide.
On a slight tangent, whose who might learn from the experience just won't give a shit about the job - they don't have to keep the job. Rude customer talks to them : "fuck you, I'm leaving in a month anyway. So what if I get a shit review, I'm only here because I have to. Oh no, I'm going to be fired and have mummy and daddy pay for everything".
Also think about it like the military. When you do that, you're gonna get thrown in the brig or play stupid games with stupid prizes. In Israel people may not like their time in the IDF but they sure as shit aren't gonna just sit in the sand and pout until they get their way.
Yeah, but I also don't think the Israeli people have as many precious little flowers as the western world.
I agree with where you are coming from, most of my examples are from retail. Realistically though, what can the armed forces really do to a potential recruit should they refuse, before it is torture? Ill punish you with exercise - no. Hold this - no. Run here - no. Stand here and get yelled at - walk off. What will they do, tie you down? Throw you in prison and that's about it.
Yeah. It would be great if there were more heroic people doing things like EMS.
But that's an entirely different experience from working in retail. Working in retail, you get treated as an object. And a cheap one, at that. And at the end of the day you've accomplished very little. It is a bit humbling.
The only downside here would be everyone might think the first job they got out of retail was their perfect dream career.
EMS is private in America. Basically your point is still completely valid but instead you feel miserable and financially drained
I am from California and have been in EMS for over 10 years. It’s only private if you work on an ambulance company. I did that for about 4 years. It’s not meant as a career, but as a stepping stone to get into fire, nursing or anything that requires field patient experience. I am sorry you had a bad experience. I wouldn’t give mine up for the world. It’s not for everybody.
I was mostly making a joke by jumping on the bandwagon that ems causes misery. I’m on my 3rd year on the ambulance and while my company does drive me insane I do really enjoy working this job
EMS legit save fucking lives. I don't understand why they don't get paid more.
Supply and demand. Basically anyone with a pulse, half a brain and common sense could become an EMT with a few months of work. There's no high bar to entry, and high turnover because most of the time, the job absolutely sucks.
Hurr durr, no mer taxes! Hurr durr, y's the guvrnment need muney? Seriously, it blows my mind that people think we shouldn't pay any taxes and then except public services to be top of the line at zero cost. This one old geezer thought that teachers should be paid by the hour. "We'll save so much tax money by not having to pay those freeloaders in the summer!" Yeah, cuz they'll make bank the rest of the year. My wife teaches and coaches highschool basketball. Get's to school at 7:45 am, teaches, leaves for an away game, coaches, comes back to school, gets home at 12 am and have a stack of tests to grade for the next day, which of course is another game day because heaven forbid they play less than 3 games a week. Fuck that sport.
This is true
Lot more to public service than that. I'd probably pick something like the parks or some shit.
An alternative to this is the USPS as a carrier, you get to see parts of your communities, cities, and towns that you probably wouldn’t have set foot in otherwise. It’s hard work, but you’ll lose weight, get a nice tan, and learn how to drive RHD. (Not to mention tons of other stuff)
Or really any public service. There could be all kinds of public works projects in teaching or improving impoverished communities if every 18 year old was required to find a way to do a year of service, and everyone could try something new before starting college.
having incompetent teenager around in life n death situation which firefighters & policeman handles regularly can be a disaster. even if he/she is just an intern.
but other public service like city cleaning, social service, that's a great idea. or maybe helping in police stations.. jail even.
Though not quite as dramatic as EMS, I spent much of my childhood taking care of younger graders in school and the elderly. You get to see a lot of variety of human condition even doing that. Lots of problem solving issues for those who need special mental or physical help.
I made two six month deployments and several other minor deployments to five different countries with different cultures. The man that got discharged was much different than the boy that enlisted. I certainly can empathize with people better and basically realize that we are all the same. Most people just want to survive, take care of their families, and have some fun once in awhile. Then every culture has clueless jerks that makes the world worse for everybody, and that will never change, they have to be ignored and shunned.
I've stopped trying to fix the jerks around me. You gotta surround yourself with non-jerks, and try to forget about the jerks. Cus they're jerks.
You gotta surround yourself with non-jerks, and try to forget about the jerks
Dude this is the exact mindset that is causing such divisiveness in our societies. You gotta realize that the jerks are people too and cannot just be forgotten, no matter how much of a jerk they are.
It worked before social media as the jerks couldn't meet to ferment in larger batches. Now they can come to critical mass everywhere and have to be stopped. Nobody cared for the one jerk in your village, but throwing them all in one big pot leads to issues.
In all seriousness, I agree with you. Ignoring them doesn't better the planet, and could even exacerbate things.
My original comment was just for fun because I liked the way it sounded and it gave me a chuckle. I wish the world was as simple as I eluded.
Nailed it. I went in at 23 with the maturity of a 12 year old. Got out at 27 as a responsible adult.
Sincerely, thank you for your service and sacrifice. I made this post because I just want to see more empathy and camaraderie rather than division because I’m tired of arguing and seeing our citizens turn on each other because of ignorance and I believe hard work is one of the stones that builds the foundation of good morals
I agree with you, in that hard work makes good morals. Everyone should be required to buy brand new boots and work them into nothing over the course of a year or two. That’s the only way I learned the value of a dollar. Coming from a middle class suburban upbringing.
Thank you for your service!
I couldn’t put a human face to the people we dealt with on my first two deployments. Things were kinda violent here and there but nothing ever bothered me. My third deployment wasn’t that violent but my counterparts were truly amazing people. I saw what they were going through and could empathize with the excruciating struggle that they had from simply being born in such a shitty place.
TLDR: it took me three deployments to develop compassion.
I wish that the US had mandatory military or domestic service for a year - with little exception.
Spending a year with people from all reaches of the US really would give people an understanding that people are more alike than different.
Plus our politicians would be much more thoughtful when projecting US military or around the world when their own kids or kids of people they know might be put in danger.
Disagree. I worked in retail before university and it made me detest people. I continue to have little faith in anyone until proven otherwise.
The best thing about retail is that it's a good motivator to get out of retail.
“The customer is always right” yeah well sometimes the customer is dumb or just full of shit. That statement was made by some asshole working at corporate who never deals with customers. Up yours, Larry you overpaid prick!
Iirc the statement actually just refers to supply and demand. Nothing to do with how customers actually in store and their behavior
Problem is that the people who are doing the training in these retail stores don’t know that so the people they’re training don’t learn it and just put up with endless shit from idiot customers. Like just buy the damned toaster and leave me alone, I’ve got shelves to stock with crappy products made in China
The customers an asshole!
"This job would be great if it weren't for the fucking customers."
The customer is never right.
That’s his whole point... if everybody worked a job like that at some point then your job wouldn’t of made you feel like that, because people wouldn’t treat you like crap at work.
You're presuming you could do this retroactively.
If retail makes you act like a bad person because people who never worked in retail act like bad people, then the cycle just continues.
Yeah, all it will actually do is make the good people continue being good and vice versa
You're underestimating people's ability to be shitty to other people for no reason whatsoever.
Why do people think this? I know assholes. They’ve pretty much all worked those types of jobs. It doesn’t automatically make you nice
I've worked retail, restaurant, and delivery.
I experienced shitty behavior at times but I know too many kindhearted people to be jaded against humanity as a whole.
Perhaps you had a more challenging experience. I'm sure different retail stores attract different kinds of people.
I worked retail during school and yes, it made me both detest the general public and lose faith in humanity.
But notice I said it made me detest the general public; it did not make me detest people working in retail. To the contrary, I respect them. Even today, my interactions with most frontline employees are respectful, and I like to think I probably tip a little bigger when appropriate.
Some customer service people are stupid; they still try my patience. But I naturally go into customer service interactions on the assumption the person on the other end wants to help me as much as I want to be helped, and 98% of the time, that’s true.
Theoretically, the future CEOs of retail stores would go through the same process and result in improved conditions for workers. This “customer is always right” bullshit needs to go. They are usually wrong.
I understand but will you knowing that experience become the people whom made you feel this way. Or can you relate and respect their just trying to do their job
I understand but will you knowing that experience become the people whom made you feel this way. Or can you relate and respect their just trying to do their job
Charlie Kelly is that you?
I don’t know who that is but I believe the past is and can’t be changed so you have the power to learn from it. If you didn’t like how they treated you do you really want to make someone feel that or would you rather be the bigger person and rather than get mad you help so they can grow
While you may detest people (I do too) it teaches you how not to act towards retail personnel. I still do work retail and I do my best to never act like any of the garbage people that I've dealt with, at other stores
There's some truth to this, and some opposition. It's kind of like vegans saying if everyone knew what farming was like, they wouldn't support it. Yet the people who grew up on farms are the most desensitized to the animal rights issues. Yet vegans often still claim the "horrors" of farming would people realize it's unethical.
Valid point. I thought of it more along the lines of "customer takes ice cream out of the freezer, decides they don't want in the linens section and chucks it into a box of towels", where as having been on the shitty clean up end of that, I walk the ice cream back to the freezer. I do feel the desensitized part of not giving damn sometimes for sure
But I bet you empathize with people who work in service and don’t treat them like they are beneath you.
Ya, I consider myself an optimistic, positive person. I usually like people and like interacting with people. Working retail changed me man, it really did. Working a cash register at a grocery store on christmas eve night while my shift ended 35 minutes ago but I can't leave because there are people who decide to WALK IN AND DO ALL THEIR SHOPPING A MINUTE BEFORE WE CLOSE made me realize that life is suffering and everyone other than myself only exists to make life terrible
While this theoretically would be a good idea, the fact is that there are people, like them or not, who are raised/born to be assholes. Just making them partake in society in a typically unpleasant job doesn’t fix the problem, as some of these people do end up turning out to be even more manipulative/ disrespectful/ downright unpleasant. I like the enthusiasm and faith in humanity but trust me, at the end of the day, picking the right people you surround yourself with is really the best you can do
It's an empathy thing. Sure, some people have deep empathy impairments and will not recover through this method.
However, many people simply don't understand the life of somebody working in these unpleasant jobs. They may expect their food orders to always be right and the retail worker to always be smiling. They work hard for their money! Why shouldn't the person behind the counter? It's their job, and how hard could it be?
With the saccharine nature of customer service, people don't see the human behind the uniform. They see a tool to be used to purchase or order.
Once they experience the challenges of such jobs, they may realize that their Starbucks barista is just another human trying to make it through their shift.
My dad was once one of those who saw customer service people as robots. He told me that seeing me go through mental illness and addiction made him realize that these workers may be going through a tough time just like I was.
It’s really easy to say “you work here, you should have an answer to every question I could come up with,” but it’s just not always possible. Working at a grocery store for 6 years, I still get asked for things that I’ve never even heard of. Some people are nice as I try my best to try to think about what similar items we carry and where it might be, but, to some people, that’s completely unacceptable.
I had a customer do this to me the other day. “Do you know where X is?” Me: “No, I don’t know where to find it, sorry.” Them: “For god’s sake you work in a grocery store and you don’t know where it is?” Me: “I work in the deli, not in the general merchandise. You can ask customer service desk, they know more than I do.”
I always think its better to just say you don’t know where a product is than to tell them a false location and them wasting their time. But some people don’t get that logic and it drives me insane sometimes.
We also sometimes rearrange products or get new products and group those together, so what was found in Aisle 8 might be moved to Aisle 2.
For example, we used to have containers with the cutlery. Now we moved them to the salt and pepper and spices aisle.
Yes!! The worst is when you bring someone down an aisle that just got reset though lmao. You’re standing there like “I swear, the hdmi cables USED to be here. I know we still sell them!” And then you’re on a scavenger hunt with a complete stranger.
those who really just need a frame of reference on humanity will be helped immensely. the few (i hope) who are truly just assholes will be no worse for the wear-they were going to be assholes anyway. i doubt it will contribute negatively to that.
As a Singaporean male, I had to serve 2 years of national service in either the military, the police or the civil defence(equivalent to your emergency services).
This does not work. 2 years of military training does not change human nature. Prideful people are still prideful. More people will grow to resent the requirement that forces them to surrender 2 years of their youth, than will have positive take-away from it. And those self-centered people will spend those 2 years making life hell for the people around them.
Also a Singaporean male: reading the title was hilarious
If it was optional and rewarded like military service is in the US (free education after enlisted period, for instance), do you think the public reaction in your country would have been different? I can easily see why people would resent a system that forced them to serve.
Disagree, worked in retail in High school, then to another service area through University. People are stupid and I hate all of you
At least you got any feelings towards me.
No you wouldn't.
Whichever compulsory humbling path you took would be seen by you and everyone in it as the best path and everyone else is stupid/ weak/ dumb for not picking your path.
I rather not spend a gap year.
I think if a gap year was less stigmatized it would be really beneficial
And college drop out rates would go down 80%, because then only the people with proper motivation would go to college.
I dunno I took one between universities/switching majors. It was just a giant waste of time. Made minimum wage and just took longer to get my degree where I now make good money
Plus I'd guess most people have already worked in one of the areas that's on the list. Just about everyone whose employment history I know has worked in customer service as one of their first jobs.
Yea I can’t think of more than a handful of people I know who haven’t. Yet this shit us always upvoted on Reddit
Or how about we don’t force people to do things they don’t want.
Not to mention once this gap year become mandatory it turns into something many people would actively resist against. Especially if they'd be forced to join the military to "develop character"...
And let them think on their own? That’s outright preposterous.
Careful comrade, you sound like you need reeducation. We know what is best for you.
Disagree, some people just don't give a shit about others regardless of anything. I hated everything and everyone, especially myself for a good 10 years. I didn't have a really good reason too I just hated people and the stupid shit they would pull constantly.
The military doesn't make people respectful
Correct but it introduces you to having to work together with people you may not like or agree with in order to accomplish a greater goal
I think you overestimate many people's ability to learn the "right lesson" from any given situation. There isn't some magic situation in which people suddenly become better than they were before. The military is a good example, but the same can be said for working other types of jobs like you describe. People go in and out of it and I would argue it only solidifies their world view, however wrong-headed it might be.
I also think if you force them to take a year off for it, they'll only resent it vs grow from it. People don't take well to being made to do something they don't want to.
This is what I was thinking, I became second in charge at my last job and responsible for training people, and no matter how many different ways I tried to approach it, no one could pick up what I was putting down when it came to simply doing jobs the right way. Adding to your point that some people just are never going to get it and learn those lessons, in jobs there is always going to be a lot of people who JUST do the bare minimum that is required, and it's the hard-working, genuine people doing their best who end up doing everyone else's jobs, and then become resentful at their co-workers or just stop working as hard, it's a very vicious circle.
Probably not. I joined the military when I was 21 and led Marines in war.
Marines that entered right after high school were prematurely discharged at a higher rate for various reasons including drugs, drinking, failure to adapt, etc... They were frequently subject to Non-Judicial Punishment (NJP) for other things like disrespect, cleanliness/hygiene/etc. This really ruined some people's lives.
If anything I believe you should only be allowed to join after 21 especially during war time.
I am a perfect example of a premature discharge for failure to adapt and I joined right out of high school. I was nowhere near mature enough to handle that lifestyle and It really changed the entire direction of my life.
we have mandatoy military service(or public service, depends) for all guys of age 19 or older for two years here in South Korea, but some people are still assholes afterwards lol
Eh ex military folks are some of the most entitled assholes that exist
Oh fuck off
Right? This is such a classic obnoxious Reddit circlejerk that has no real practicality or truth behind it. Honestly, I work in retail, and this experience might make me more of an asshole when I’m in the customer’s position (don’t get me wrong, I’m still not gonna be anywhere near that, “Why is this item this price?! There’s no way it should be that expensive! I need to speak to a manager!” level of asshole) because I’ve seen how lazy and inconsiderate employees can often be. People are always assholes, and retail employees, both current and former, are not immune to that.
Same. I worked at a supermarket for a year. Know what it made me realize? That the work is mind numbing easy and no one there gives a shit. If something went wrong it was likely their fault and they don’t care.
Now I’m not gonna be an asshole to some teenager making minimum wage because I’m just not like that, but I don’t really empathize with them either. It’s not woo is them. It’s just a shit job they don’t care about. Is what it is
Agreed. Working both retail and at a bar/restaurant when I was younger taught me how easy that sort of work is and how many lazy/entitled dipshit work those jobs.
it's true lol, waiters and bartenders are generally attractive scumbags and/or idiots. Probably half the waiters/waitresses I've worked with were stealing from both their employer and their customers whenever they got the chance.
What I don't get is does OP think college students don't work shitty restaurant/retail jobs while they go to school too? Those are jobs that are known for having students as employees. I don't need a whole year of a shit job to jerk myself over how it's gonna make me a better person anyways.
I really doubt that. People who have worked service can still be dicks to people who work in service. I don't know how learning a trade makes you humble or respectful but I guess it would be useful?
If stories about people in the military I've heard are true, often times it doesn't really change your core personality that much. A dude who was dick going into the military is still likely going to be a dick coming out of it or worse come out of it more pompous.
Plus you know there's going to be some hierarchy thing where Military gap years see themselves as better than Trade who sees themselves as better than Service.
So yeah I feel like this is a highly idealized idea.
Nah some of the biggest assholes I know worked in at least one of those trades.
Why does dumb shit like this get upvoted? It's just pandering.
I know someone who did work fast food, and it was a terrible experience for her. You'd think that would drive up the empathy a bit.
How did her behavior towards service folk change afterwards? It got worse.
She now know how things worked, and she put in her dues. If she had to deal with it, so can they.
They are called apprenticeships and much more common anywhere outside the greatest nation in the world. You train in real world shit before going into the heavy study of it.
great idea but, the politicians and the rich would still find a way to keep their entitled snowflakes from having to do it.
see, Vietnam draft and recent College scam
Working in these professions doesn't change who we are fundamentally, especially over a few years. May teach you to behave differently in particular situations. Humility and respect are learned from your and other's mistakes.
Some people just don't want to learn.
I’m from the future this comment caused ww6 and the fall of canada
This belongs in unpopular opinion. If we just had better parenting we wouldn’t need government mandated labor periods
I think we're getting to a point in society we're just about everybody has worked food or retail. I know this is anecdotal but pretty much every single one of my friends has worked a customer service job at some point
No we wouldn't.
Or, an additional hierarchy would form where people would judge each other based on what they did with that extra year.
A number of countries have compulsory military service. The big problem is that by moving away from an all volunteer military you have to completely change how things work, accomdating a larger range of physical fitness, educational standards, allowing people with criminal past, forcing jobs on people who do not want to be there, and the whole thing is a lot less effective. Not a complete dealbreaker though. Only a small part needs to be an effective military force and can mostly remain unchanged. The rest can focus on being a job training program primarily.
That's what the guys in my country goes through. Its called national service and we pick up a rifle and do our times for two years.
I see mixed results. =/
I see the point you’re trying to make, but I don’t see forced labour making people more respectful. I think it would probably lead to a lot of resentment amongst the young population.
Young people are more politically aware than ever (at least in the U.K.). It would be a recipe for disaster.
No, there’s just a pandemic lack of discipline throughout western youth.
This isn't a shower though as much as it is just a conservative opinion.
What makes it conservative?
Compulsory service is traditionally conservative whereas making your own decision, whether it's join the army or be a starving artist or sit around on your couch, is more traditionally liberal.
I worked in retail. I’m for true service in a gap year, but I don’t understand why you’re glorifying retail.
And would we then, in turn, give a year of higher education to people working those jobs without the luxury of college?
Or the people who needed it most would just bribe their way out of it.
I've done 3 out of 4 and I'm still a total prick
I know plenty people who have literally done all of the above and are still real shitty.
And what better than learning a new trade
Ha! Never underestimate the ability of an idiot to double down when they are wrong.
Well in some countries like Singapore, there is mandatory conscription for the guys when they turn 18?
Andrew Yang has proposed a similar idea, called the American Exchange Program. High school seniors would spend time with a family from another part of the US while volunteering for local organizations.
No. Great thought, but no. A lot of people come back from military service less respectful thinking people didn’t appreciate them and hating some people. People in retail express daily online how they hate rude people and how people make their job hard. Waitresses/waiters do the same. Some people would be nicer but I doubt all especially since it’s forced upon you and some customers might be rude just to “toughen you up”
No it wouldn't, I've done 3 of those. It made me hate people in general.
sounds good in theory but I know plenty of assholes that still have service jobs and treat wait staff like shit. (sitting down at the table with YELP app open on the review page.. etc)
In fact, I think there may be a corollary between how much crap you catch at work and how poorly you treat other people they perceive as 'beneath them' or 'unable to defend themselves" at their job...
There's plenty of entitled, asshole waiters.
No we wouldn't.
Well in Finland it's mandatory to go to the army for half a year if you are male and most go there during that time. We're exactly the same assholes as before
I think it would be more effective for the middle school to high school transition. Some sort of interning thing.
9th graders are whack and most need a serious look at what it will mean to be able to work at 15-ish with a permit.
It's such a massive change in school expectations from middle to high. We need SOMETHING better as a transition.
My family had a business, so I've been working since I was 12. I just appreciated my education more and understood what it meant to be humble and listen to freaking instructions
I'm a firefighter with a grad degree and this is terrible idea. You can't make something mandatory that everyone is not capable of doing, especially at 17/18 years old. Being a first responder isn't about your experience and growing as a person, it's about doing your job and serving your community. The public always come first.
Idk...Israelis have to do mandatory army after high school and while they’re much more mature idk abt humble and respectful....just ends your “childhood/teenage” years quicker
I'd like to think we would, but in reality, the rich parents would do what they always do- game the system and find sweet gigs for their kids that would let them avoid any real contact with the unwashed.
You know, we had that up until a few years ago here in Germany. You could either join the Bundeswehr for anyear or do community work like as a carer in an elderly home.
But only men had to do it.
We have this in Singapore. Mandatory National Service for 2 years at the age of 18. A giant waste of 2 years if you ask me.
totally fucking agree
If someone doesn't know how to be respectful by the time they graduate high school, it's not going to happen.
As a South Korean I gotta say no.
A year in the military is no where near long enough to get you trained up and efficient at the job. The gov would never break even with how much it costs to train new members.
I don’t think I agree with this (although I gave you an upvote out of courtesy). I’m going to graduate college a year early because of my AP and dual-credit high school classes, and I STILL feel like I’m behind in life. Adding another year onto that before entering my career field would drive me crazy, I think.
Europe used to have this its called compulsory service
I am greatful for the life experience that came from working full time in construction straight out of high school. There's a lot of childish attitudes that get stripped away from the experience. Brings you out your shell a bit more, makes you more responsible and gives you taste of the real world. I just wish i hadn't got stuck there. But that's down to myself more than anything else.
I've always been a proponent for mandatory community service of some kind; getting people involved at the local level where they can SEE the effects of what they are doing. Whether thats via a highway cleanup, soup kitchen, or volunteering in educational programs for youth.
Outside of that, people just think giving back is some abstract concept where you donate money and maintain thoughts and prayers for everyone. I live in a large metro area and volunteer frequently at the biggest food pantry in the area, and there are less than 7 volunteers any given day ( and many are there consistently).
We have simply detached from our communities en masse, which has had a profound effect on our society as a whole.
I’ve always been a proponent of freedom and non-forced labor