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There's plenty of good points here about how we perceive time that I won't reiterate. One thing that I haven't seen touched on here that I'd like to add is that neither decade has had a name that really caught on. I know some folks called 2000-2009 the aughts, but that shit never really entered the common vernacular... and we definitely haven't had a name for 2010-2019. That's 20 years without a convenient name for the decade we're in. I look forward to living in the 20s.
Jesus Christ I've never thought about the fact that we're about to enter the new 20s. Moving forward we're gonna have to specify the 1920s-30s-40s etc.
Man that's weird to think.
I have been thinking about this since NYE 1999! Are the Roaring 20's coming back?
Yeah except the roaring will be from the nuclear blasts.
Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter!
Well ain't that a kick in the head.
To the town of Auga Fria rode a stranger one fine day...
Ave true to ceaser.
Degenerates like you belong on a cross!
I never understood why commoners pronounced it Caesar but the legion pronounced it ‘kaisar’
Pretty sure its a reference to how we mainly say Caesar today when in latin it likely would have been Probounce more like Kaisar and Caesar studied latin before he formed the legion.
Don't forget about czar
Or all the lions escaped from all the zoos in the world simultaneously
I remember back in the 90's I found a book of super old comics where they mentioned "all those old guys in bars reminiscing about the '90s" And I thought I'd gotten stuck in a time warp until I realized that it was talking about the 1890s.
There's a scene in Downton Abbey too where they say "mother redecorated it in the 80s" and of course they mean 1880, always gets me for a sec.
We’re definitely having a better first 20 years of the century than last time.
This is top answer. Neither decade has had an official name. The 20s will be good to us.
What do you call the years 1900-1909, 1910-1919? No name for those either.
Apparently 1890-1899 was the 'Muave Decade', never figured out what that meant. But yeah, 1900-1909 had the same issues we are on what to call it, they settled on the aughts appearnetly. UK called it the Edwardian Era, though.
I've always wished the term 'The Naughties' would catch on.
I think it's the nineteen-hundreds and the nineteen-tens.
The last decade was the two-thousands and this one is the twenty-tens.
The 2000s may ultimately end up being called the twenty-hundreds because people are going to refer to years like 2005 by saying twenty-oh-five instead of two thousand five.
A local morning radio host always refers to things as nineteen hundred and ninety five and the like and it always gives me a chuckle.
Hopefully like the 20s of Great Gatsby, Roaring 20s or whatever they used to call them back then.
The 20's was a subjectively good time, but still with many flaws. There is a reason they call it the Gilded Age. To gild something means to paint over an ordinary material with a gold finish, in essence covering up the bad parts with something beautiful. Underneath all the glitz and glamor of the jazz age was one of the biggest periods of economic disparity in the US, where the rich were obscenely rich and the average person was struggling to make ends meet. Society was held aloft on the backs of abused immigrant workers forced to live in conditions we'd consider appalling today. With this vast inequality of wealth, the Great Depression was imminent.
Of course some of these factors were specific to just the US, but the Great Depression still affected many markets around the world. The complexities of global trade caused everyone to be dragged down and created a compounding economic crisis.
As it happens, economic inequality is once again on the rise around the world, so there are some who hypothesize that we are currently approaching a "Second Gilded Age" which will end with another period of economic crisis. I guess how true that possibility is will only be fully seen in retrospect.
IIRC the "Gilded Age" was more used to describe the pre-Progressive industrial boom era of the late 1800s, not so much the 1920s. Though the 1920s shared a similar sense of a faux-wealth papering over the troubles of the average person.
I personally use "The Early 2000s" for 2000-2009, and "The 2010s" for 2010-2019. I've never even heard of the aughts haha
I'd interpret "early two thousands" as 2000-2004 and i guess that means the decade as the whole would be the "two thousands..." not saying it makes sense...
Oh my god... From next year on when I say "I wish I could've lived in the twenties" I have to specify which century,
Technically you have to specify already. There were more centuries prior to 1900.
I wish I had been tried and burned as a witch in 1620
I could've really dug catching the plague in the 1420, man. Like, I just would've been so into it you feel me?
You know there’s someone on this God forsaken planet who wants to do that
Wish I could have been alive and met Jesus in '0020!
I wish i lived in the 2220s
I mean yeah, but if you say "the 20s" right now, pretty much everyone knows you mean 1920s, any other "20s" i.e 1820s and before you would say it as such.
Big if true.
The were calling the 00's the "Naughties" for a while. I still say it as I have no other word for it. People seem to know what I mean. I've got nothing for this decade.
Why didn't we call it the double-o's and the teens?
no man you need to sound like a grizzled coal miner from a movie and say "ought-one" "ought-two" etc.
Because culture doesn't suddenly change when we enter a new decade. We just like to remember it that way.
Yup trends usually spill over decades. 80s lasted till 91-92 and 90s well into 02-03.
Honestly feel the 90s died on 9/11.
80s died when Iraq was invaded / USSR fell
I'd argue the 2000s died in 2008 when the recession hit. 2008 to present is just this super long decade tbqh.
For me it was a tick earlier. I put it at the iPhone release date. Everything since then has felt more culturally similar than what was before it. Maybe it’s because I went from Nokia’s and Razrs to looking at variations of the same screen for the past 12 years. We were in the throes of the election too which made it seem more connected to the Obama presidency. Olivia Munn had already left Attack of the Show.
Yes. I remenber in the 2000s talking to my sister about how thete wasn't anything distinctly 90s about the 90s.
The 90s only really existed from, like, ‘91-‘97.
you're thinking of the 80's. the 90's was 97 to 01
Pretty sure ‘97-‘04 is the 00s, and every year since has been “the rest”.
i dont know, i saw a lot of mullets and 80's jeans in 96
You sure you weren't just in Canada?
well i did spend a lot of time also seeing canadians but wasnt canada
Went to a concert in November.... major time hop. Haven't seen so many mullets, and ripped denim in one place since the 80s. Pulled out my cell to make sure it was still 2018! The show ended and the mullets disappeared into the night not to be heard from since.
9/11/01 is a descent point to say the 90's ended.
early 90s was grungy, late 90s was metallic
Depends on where you were. The 90's were very
For a lot of things. Disposable cups, Jet-Skis, Jeeps, Hip-Hop clothing, Scholastic book sales flyers, etc.
Flannel. America Online. Monica Lewinski. In Living Color. Connie Chung.
Well obviously we can look back now and say that Grunge was very "90s", theyre saying that at the time they wouldn't be able to pick that out. One problem now is that we can't really tell which cultural phenomenons are on their way out, because it's impossible to tell until they're noticeably unfashionable.
Something that's popular now is not going to feel "decade defining" because we don't know if it'll leak into next decade or not. Grungey-type rock definitely leaked into the early 2000s so it was hard to tell how iconically "90s" it seems when it was still culturally relevant.
I no longer think the trend of T-shirt’s under dresses (2004-2008), random chunky belts or bad highlights are okay. That era definitely had trends. Oh and dresses and skirts over jeans.
Yup. What people like to remember about the '80s didn't really happen until like '83 or '84. I think the '90s started more on time.
But as for OP's actual question .... dunno, it seems a little like things just aren't changing. Or, they're changing so fast it's hard to keep up. Decades no longer have identities.
The 2000s seem pretty distinct from the 2010s to me. When I was in high school during the mid 2000s, most guys spiked their hair, wore baggy clothing and loose fitted pants. Abercrombie clothing and ripped jeans for men was the norm when I was in high school. Professionally, suits were loose fitted as well. I also noticed that only having a goatee was very popular during the 2000s.
When it comes to the 2010s, clothes are tighter, the fade was really popular for men's hairstyles, I've noticed that 90s style clothing (colorful, weird designs) made sort of a comeback. Social media was a thing in the 2000s but skyrocketed in the 2010s etc.
They are pretty distinct imo.
That early 2000s fashion tho
Who allowed us to dress like that
Seriously. Sometimes I don't think it was that bad but then I see reruns of certain shows or old music videos and am just like shit.. it was fugly
... and current trends are going to look stupid when the styles change again. It's a cycle.
True. But some eras at least had a few timeless aspects within their trends. The early 2000s really had none that I can think of honestly. Can you think of ones you actually still like (fashion/makeup/hair wise)? I think at least with the 2010s, there'll be a couple trends that we look back on more fondly (obviously there'll be a lot of cringing too but you know what I mean right)
The whole ripped jeans thing came back with a vengeance. I graduated high school in 2006 and they were popular then, but I really only remember them being ripped around the knee. Saw a chick the other day who looked like hers were just thrown through a lawnmower. Not much to distinguish them as jeans.
I feel like male fashion in the late 2010s has become a bit more formal again in the cardigans, button-up shirts, and slacks. It could also have to do with me hitting my mid-20s and personally having to dress more formally.
No I think you're right. I feel both men's and women's fashion has become a lot more tailored and formal imo. But then I'm about to be 28 so I'm probably right there with you. At a certain age you just prefer a more mature "put together" look. Also I think the stigma of dudes being into fashion is wearing off (thank god)
I'm really just getting into that stuff, in all honesty and I'm very grateful there's more acceptance for men's fashion. I still don't have an entirely stable income, but I feel like I want to have a very good understanding of what makes me look well put together by the time I'm 30.
Like those manbuns with the sides of the head shaved? Those will probably look pretty bad if they don't already.
They never looked good 😂
My handlebar mustache and skinny jeans are never going out of style.
If you want the un adulterated view of old fashion watch music videos. It can be pretty brutal
It’s hard to believe being “scene” was a thing back then and now you hardly see it anymore.
The 2000s ended in 2008/2009. I think it was the recession.
The smartphone is easily the biggest point of differentiation between the 00's and the 10's. The iPhone came out in 2007, but it was a feature-lacking luxury device owned by a minority of people for a couple years. Post 2010 is when we started seeing more people with smartphones than not, and now it's a ubiquitous product that is essential in the daily lives of most people. I'd call it as significant as the advents of radio, television, and home computers were.
Cell phones and home computers became widespread in the late 90's, which was a pretty monumental leap and is one of the main reasons why the late 90's and early 00's feel like its own sub-era of pop culture and technology. The mid to late 00's was the era of the iPod, the rise in internet culture, and of course the post-9/11 world. Then cell phones and iPods gave way to smartphones in the 10's, where not only do we have the ability to contact anyone at any time, but have access to the full scope of the internet in our pockets.
I can't wait to see what the next 10 years of tech looks like.
Spell check's $2.99 per word but i saw a guy on YouTube open a shitload of loot windows and figure out the drop chance is high enough that you can generally get it for about $2.50 from LW (if you buy the 100 window value pack), and you of course get all the random bolds, italics, etc. you get from the other windows too.
Also, do they have their phone out (camera or game)? If not, probably 2000s. If yeah, then 2010s.
most guys spiked their hair, wore baggy clothing
Literally me back in high school
It doesnt, it feels like 3 decades for me.
2000 - 2008: a decade all about the flash, the war on terror.
2008 - 2013: recession times, everything felt different, people had a lot less money and there was a lot of economic anxiety
2014 - today: economic boom time, huge stock market rally and large tech boom. Lots of new tech, mobile comes of age. Very strong social consciousness comes about
Then for us Brits you've got...
2008-2012 austerity 2012-2017 proper austerity 2017-2019 lol Brexit.
Many of us who came of age in the 2000s have never experienced this 'boom' because politically were getting shafted constantly.
On a lighter note I think a true different 'time' is around 2011/2012. Seemed like the internet, technology and the such really became super powered around then.
This is how i kinda feel about it also there has been noticeable breaks in between
I've seen quite a few people say this on the internet, but to me the 00s feel completely different from the 2010s.
Not a matter of fashion, but wasn't the zeitgeist of the 00s always overshadowed by 9/11? Whereas by the 10s it has gotten to be ancient history that nobody thinks too much about.
always overshadowed by 9/11?
Hmm, that's a good point. Things did start to become a little more myopic and fear-based after that. I guessed I assumed OP was referring to music and fashion and movies, and if those were affected by 9/11 I didn't notice it.
On the point of movies: the 2008 Best Picture winner was an Iraq War movie (Hurt Locker). It's easy not to even notice it but I thimk the effects of 9/11 were so deeply seared into America's collective psyche that you can probably find evidence of its influence in nearly every aspect of 2000s culture if you looked for it. Another example that comes to mind immediately is the popularity of Hummer and SUVs more generally, clearly there's an influence being carried over from the military.
Overshadowed by 9/11, dominated by Bush, fear of the next 9/11 in the US. Since then it's more about ongoing insurgencies "over there"
Doesn't feel like that to me. 2010s are defined by smart phones and yoga pants.
I'd bet you become an adult around 2000? In which case it's simply because there are no more "events" in your life that mark the passage of time. Especially and particularly graduations from various school levels and major milestones like drivers license, right to vote, right to drink
Damn that's depressing to read. "Everything will be a blur after you are 20."
can confirm, am 25, everything a blur for the past 8 or so years
I'm 24 now. I swear I turned 19 yesterday
Because your brain isn’t recognizing the 00’s as a decade. It’s okay; you’re not alone. Should be fine next year and every decade hence.
Why has 2017 - 2019 felt like one long decade?
It really doesn't seem like it to me... NSYNC and other "boy bands," Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera becoming new pop stars, Friends still being on the air, the Web 2.0 slowly catching on, that all seems like a long, long time ago. Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Pinterest, Instagram, Snapchat... that's 2010s.
Eh, Gaga was huge in the late aughts. I was in college around 08 and it's around that time Bad Romance and Poker Face we're ubiquitous in clubs. Brittany and Christina were definitely huge when I was in Elementary School which would have been the late nineties, and were fading when I was in Jr. High, early 00s.
Gaga definitely had some hits in the 10s, but the late 00s were definitely her hey day. Katy Perry was also top of the world around this time.
To be fair Britney Spears had three number ones between the years of 2008-2010.
All the things you named for the 00s are 90s things to make the gap seem larger. A better representation of the 00s would be Pussycat Dolls, Nelly, Ludacris and How I Met Your Mother.
You're getting old. It's all a blur.
my head hurts...
on the topic, maybe you are stuck in the same mindset of the generation you grew up with because to me everything has massively changed, think back to something as basic as the speeds of the internet in 2000 to now
music from 2000 to now
netflix, amazon prime and more accessibility to everything, it's a recent decade of convenience (2010 - 2019)
Because there is no singular identifier setting this time period apart from others. With the advent of the internet and computer technologies and social media advancing at such a drastic rate, fads and other things that used to define a decade or sometimes even a generation fade out into obscurity way faster than in any other decade prior, and they often resurge a lot faster as well.
We are always connected, and we have grown to only be interested in what's new and exciting, never staying on a single thing for more than a few brief moments in some cases because of the sheer unimaginable volume of content and news pouring out with every passing second. Always accessible, never fading.
But there are pretty good markers. The 90s ended with 9/11 and the war on terror beginning. Even in the UK the shift in culture was remarkable. The 00s ended early with the Great Recession and austerity pushing everyone into being too poor and busy trying to stay afloat to build subcultures.
Cause 9/11. It's like BCE/BC there was the pre 9\11 world, and now it's the post 9/11 world. Probably the internet too.
Damn, we're literally 1/5 of a century in. Weird to think about it like that.
If I dropped you in either 1900 or 1919, but didn't tell you which it was, how long would it take you to figure out the year without asking anybody?
Um pre ww1 and post ww1
“This place sure does have a disproportionate number of women and children around”
"Holy shit that genie dropped me in Greater Mongolia. Shit, shit shit, was this before or after Mongolia became an independent soviet republic? Wait shit, did Greater Mongolia even return to Mongolia after the rebellion? I am so fucked."
and Amputees, and just dying people in general since the flu was still raging. In Paris you'd have loads of Prostitutes though.
Call it the Great War or just “the war” and see who they blame, Germans or Yankees
In 1900 most people got around on horseback. By 1919 cars were mainstream.
In 1900 people thought only angels could fly. By 1919 people were dropping bombs from airplanes.
In 1900 no one knew what a world war was. By 1919 the world had experienced one.
In 1900 if people wanted entertainment they could read. By 1919 They could listen to music on the radio or go see a silent film.
In 1900 absolute monarchies still reigned in Europe. By 1919 most of them had fallen.
I could go on and on. I give your analogy zero points.
Not long. That little thing called WWI either didn’t start or just ended.
Pay attention if your in 1919 you'll see after affects of the Great War surrounding you pretty easily so it would be easy to figure out youre in 1919
A few minutes. "Hey, you know the titanic, sir?"
"The what now?"
Easy, cars would have been non-existant in 1900 but relatively common by 1919.
Probably not terribly long, aside from the WWI issue everyone has pointed out, women's fashions changed pretty dramatically in that period. By 1919 the corset was going out of fashion and women were moving toward the looser fitting dresses that were common in the roaring 20's. It would be easier to see looking at the upper classes since they would be able to afford to purchase new clothes more often than the lower class. So basically just look at the clothing of the upper class women, is it wasp waisted (1900) or is it loose waisted (1919)?
well, depending on the country, I might figure it out from the male to female ratio. I like my odds in 1919.
As long as it took me to find a newspaper. Didn't say I couldn't ask someone for one of those!
Probably as soon as you heard people talking about planes or saw cars
Like 10 seconds, I'd look at a fucking newspaper.
It doesn't, for me. There was a big split around 2011 where afterwards everything felt like a simulation. At least for me
Because you're in your 30's/40's now and time is no longer perceived in a "linear" fashion.
You think people thought of the "60s/70s" as seperate decades?
60s and 70s seem pretty similar to me because of the overlap of the vietnam war.
50s way different leasing up to the 60s.
80s way different than the 70s.
Fashion, historical events and music kind of clear those lines for me. (Pretending disco is not a thing)
End of history/rise of the internet which gives us a qualitatively new relation to history and the the world in general. The internet solidifies everything and archives it, so that even the novel and immediate takes the form of recorded events.
Enjoy it while it lasts, because things are going to change again, and dropping out of this bubble won't be as peaceful as slipping into it was.
There were major differences. You must've just had a boring 20 years...
Not sure, But I'd say it's got something to do with Nelly
They feel very distinct to me.
The change in culture was too subtle, imo
Edit: I never said there wasn't a change. I meant to say that the change happened gradually enough that both decades sorta fused into one
Go on spotify, listen to a 00s playlist and then turn on the radio to a top 100 station. You'll notice the change.
i graduated in 2001; shortly before the WTC attacks.
the transition from being a school kid to a young adult is shocking for everyone, but going from pre 9/11 childhood to post-9/11 Bush era was far more jolting. The world, almost overnight, was filled with so much more fear and anger. I thought things were gonna change in 2008; nope. they just kinda leveled off, like that one breath you get before the roller coaster drops out beneath you again. Still pushing for that change, though.
between then and 2006 i owned and operated a small business, toured the midwest united states for a year with my band, and went to college...just in time for the economy to crash because of the housing bubble collapse in 2008. I never financially recovered from that piss-poor timing. After college I worked a series of more and more strenuous factory temp jobs until I wound up (mostly) settling down in 2014.
I'm heading into my 40s with that same indefatigable (if by this point ill-advised) sense of hope I've never been able to shake. I don't plan on retiring. Ever. And not by choice, but that's ok because with any luck, i'll die young. I'm not suicidal....I'm just tired. So tired.
Think about it this way. It's not. If you listen to Mr. Brightside by The Killers, it feels mid-00's.
In 2009, Bradley Cooper was the dude in The Hangover and Lady Gaga was known for "Poker Face." Look what happened in 2018 with the latest rendition of the movie A Star is Born.
In 2008, gas was $4.15/gallon.
The mid-2000s was full of Brat Pack movies - Old School, Dodgeball and Anchorman. Do any of those movies feel like they would belong in 2019? Hell no. 2015? Probably not. Lance Armstrong was the motivational speaker in Dodgeball and Justin Long was in it, around the time he was in the Apple commercials.
The early 2000s was full of the Star Wars Prequels. Now we have the sequels, which while they aren't popular, they're sure as shit not as bad as the prequels.
The mid-2000s was the start of the James Bond reboot. Blu-Ray was supposed to overtake DVDs despite digital downloads coming about.
Family Guy was revived thanks to DVD sales in the early 2000s.
Shit, the years are fluid, but so much stuff happened in the interim that feels so different.
I think it's because we're still dealing with a lot of after effects of 9/11.
9/11 led to war in Afghanistan which is still ongoing and now America's longest war.
It also led to war in Iraq which led to the rise of ISIS and destabalization of Syria. It all stems from 9/11.
I actually think a huge difference between the 00s and 10s is people don't really pretend to give a shit about the middle east anymore.