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Ugh the worst part is that the First Lady, his wife Ida, was at home and very sickly and frail, and as McKinley lay dying, his last words were "Don't tell Ida, don't tell Ida." He was afraid that the news would kill her :(
All of the late 19th century presidents had some pretty sad shit going on it seems. You really feel bad Arthur, who felt incredibly guilty for ascending over the corpse of his President whom the assassin basically said he'd done it FOR Arthur
And good lord can you imagine the conspiracy theories if that happened today?
I think life for everyone was just a lot shittier in the 19th century.
But let's go back to the good ole days, when there was no crime, you could leave your front door wide open, and you could leave your kids safely with strangers on the street. 🙄
It lets go back to the day when we could support 5 people on one income... That actually does sound sweet.
Yeah, I'll just send my kids off to work while I chill with the phonograph and newspaper
Yeah, you'd be suprised how many kids you can raise on coffee soup...
Back in the good ole days where you could get fish n' chips and polio for a fucking quid and you could leave your front door open cause you had nothing worth fucking nicking!
Ah. Like when suburbs were a new thing after the Second World War. Or in the country where nobody lives anyways. But I guarantee you nobody in major cities left their damn doors open all day. Kids played in the streets sure but hell they still do that. Kids still play outside till the street lights come on in some neighborhoods. It’s just people are a lot more strict and aware now. The good ole days: when parents just cared less.
I'm doing my ancestry thing and people just died. A lot. No good reason. People have no fucking clue about how thing were. My history class in HS didnt get to 1940 and I was in AP.
You could also walk into the White House and talk to the president.
Actually, Chester A. Arthur became President after Garfield was assassinated in 1881, it was Teddy Roosevelt who became President after McKinley's assassination. But I understand what you're saying. I think the worst one though was Franklin and Jane Pierce seeing their only child crushed to death when their train derailed and rolled down a hill.
That is who I was talking about. You might want to read more about Garfield's assassin. The dude who did it was pretty nutty and a big "Stalwart" It would be like if someone from the tea party assassinated Trump to get Pence into office.
So I played President Garfield as an extra in the musical Assassins. I did some research on him because I was already fan of learning about presidents and all that.
This man had the most hardcore death of any of the men killed in office. It wasn't the bullet that ended up killing him. It was that the surgeons didn't wash their hands when operating on his wounds, which caused an infection that later killed him. That was the practice of the time and it didn't change until around the turn of the century. It's a shame he died in such a way as he was a fascinating man who could have done a lot of good for the country.
Guiteau, his assassin, is a wildly interesting figure as well. He was kicked out of his father's own cult, acted as a preacher, wrote a book about politics, and shot Garfield in a train station after confronting him and demanding that he should be the ambassador to France.
wow, science is crazy. to think at one point they thought it was dangerous to be sterilized. We didn't know shit 150 years ago.
Actually, the sad thing is germ theory was around by then. It was becoming mainstream. Garfield's physician was one who didn't accept it. By the end of the decade, it was firmly established medical fact.
Lots of physicians back then took it as a personal insult, as if it were to say they were "unclean", which of course was beneath them and their egos.
That, and there was a time period before germ theory was accepted where they believed the blood and grime on their clothing and equipment to be a desirable decoration, indicating an experienced surgeon.
Probably not great for bedside manner though!
I hope he was alive long enough to feel like an asshole. In a less judgemental way I would’ve loved to have that conversation with him.
At least according to Candice Millard in "Destiny of the Republic" while it was fairly mainstream in Europe doctors in America were more resistant in adopting the theory. So he wasn't rare in that regard. Bliss definitely fucked up in other ways though.
fuck me up fam with some of that cocaine wine! headache? Cocaine wine. Broken leg? Cocaine wine. problem in the bedroom? Doctor says blame the wife and orders more intake of cocaine wine. Oh lawrdy
Cocaine addiction? Try some cocaine it'll make you feel better!
I also find it interesting that Alexander Graham Bell saw the president and tried to locate the bullet with his newly invented metal detector; but was unable to locate it, because of the almost equally newly invented steel coil mattress that Garfield was laying on.
Guiteau claimed in his own defense, “the doctors killed Garfield, I just shot him.”
Unsurprisingly, it did not hold up well in court.
The saddest thing is that he was shot in Buffalo which was having an exposition featuring cutting edge technology at that time. Among the newest inventions was the metal detector
Sorry, I misread your comment. I read about it in Sarah Vowell’s book, I love the part where society ladies are packing lunches and going to watch Guiteau’s testimony so they can have a good laugh.
Edit: Guiteau, not Gateau.
I saw Sarah Vowell and had to scroll back up, do you know if this is the same Sarah that voices Violet in The Incredibles?
The dude who did it
Charles J. Guiteau was part of the Oneida Religious Community, which was an early "free love" movement, although he left multiple times, sued the community's "prophet;" and then Guiteau's own father, who was not a member of Oneida, wrote a letter to the court in support of the cult leader who called Guiteau mentally unstable.
Afterward, Guiteau wrote a book on theology called The Truth, which was majorly plagiarized from the same cult leader he sued and then left.
And here's Neil Patrick Harris singing a little diddy about that batshit lunatic.
Fun fact, the Oneida make spoons now.
Oneida Ltd., which makes tableware, grew out of an Oneida Community project in the 1880s. However, it's not quite accurate to say "the Oneida" make spoons.
First, "the Oneida" are an unrelated native people. Settlers named the land after them, and the religious community formed on that land and used the name.
Second, "The Oneida Community" is extinct. They dissolved as a religious organization following several disasters right before registering Oneida Ltd.
While they were still a religious community, their numbers never topped 350 people. As a company, they employ thousands. The religious community has not existed in any form for over a century.
I would honestly not be surprised if someone tried that today. If they succeeded I would be surprised though.
McKinley is a president everyone would hate today. He catered to the rich and corp. They influenced Teddy Roosevelt getting the vice presidency in the hopes of shutting him up.
The fact that McKinley was assassinated led to The Break-Up of monopolies.
...and that is why McKinley’s death and the rise of Roosevelt is one of the biggest events that changed America.
Roosevelt also expanded America’s influence across the world by taking territory and negotiating treaties for rival nations. He also was very revolutionary when it comes to taking on the big businesses and dealing with conservation.
What’s all this about a train?
A few months before his inauguration, Franklin Pierce and his wife Jane were traveling with their young son on a train when it derailed and flipped down a hill. Franklin and Jane survived but they both saw the pretty horribly mangled remains of their only child. Pierce spent almost all of his presidency drunk, while the First Lady became reclusive, depressed, hyper religious, and she frequently turned to psychics to try and contact her boy. It’s some sad shit.
Damn, that's fucking awful.
Pierce is one of the worst presidents in US history, but it sure it tragic. Makes you think what could have been had the circumstances been different
And if I’m not mistaken, Teddy Roosevelt was in the middle of the wilderness (sounds about right, Ted) and had to leave as soon as possible to become president.
“Sir you need to come to Washington D.C. as soon as possible”
“Hold on I got this shot on this moose lined up”
He was climbing mountains in the Adirondacks in upstate NY.
The train still does a “teddy run” to show the route he took to “race to the presidency” there’s a couple historical places in Newcomb NY that are still standing.
Source: upstate NYer...it’s pretty much our only claim to fame, and all the local schools take field trips to those sights. And by “local” I mean a 2 hour drive. It’s a huge area!
imagine the conspiracy theories back then lol some things never really change
As he lay dying no one could find teddy roosevelt
Teddy left his side because mckinley was supposedly recovering and it was thought best teddy should leave and communicate confidence
So teddy goes and disappears in the adirondacks!
Seriously it was him and a guide and no one else and no one knew where we was exactly as mckinley took a turn for the worse
They had to go walk around mount marcy shooting guns in the air hoping the vice president soon to be president would recognize the communication that something was up and he should come in
He did recognize the signal, came in... then he barreled down the mountainside in a rickety cart all night in pitch black and pouring rain (muddy mountain roads with ravines) to get to McKinley's side in time.
During that night while he was barreling recklessly down the mountains he became president, mckinley died.
I fear we’ll never have a president as pure of heart and, frankly, badass as Teddy ever again.
I'm naming my son (in June!:) )teddy after roosevelt
Congratulations! Couldn’t ask for a better namesake!
Pure of heart? The dude was all about native American genocide. Literally called the massacre of Native women and children a "righteous act"
He did some bad ass stuff, but was super duper racist
Aside from the whole Spanish-American War thing, he was pretty awesome.
I want another president whose first instinct would be to run toward the sound of gunfire.
Or who is capable of going on a hike.
Thanks for sharing that, I have hiked right past most of the areas in that article and had no idea that history went down there just a century prior.
It sounds like he wasn't entirely wrong about that:
With the assassination of her husband by Leon Czolgosz in Buffalo, New York in September 1901, Mrs. McKinley lost much of her will to live. Although she bore up well in the days between the shooting and the president's death, she could not bring herself to attend his funeral. Her health eroded as she withdrew to the safety of her home and memories in Canton. She was cared for by her younger sister. The President was interred at the Werts Receiving Vault at West Lawn Cemetery until his memorial was built. Ida visited daily until her own death. She survived the president by less than six years, dying on May 26, 1907. She was buried next to him and their two daughters in Canton's McKinley Memorial Mausoleum.
Jesus Christ that’s sad. Poor Ida. Poor Mary, Lucretia, and Jacqueline, too. What those women went through for this country. At least Ida and Lucretia weren’t literally right next to their husbands when they were murdered.
Oh wild I had thought Csolgosz was the earlier commenter just throwing in a wacky sci-if name for their tale, it fits so well. Thanks for the extra info
Reminds me of Robert F Kennedy when he was assassinated, shot 3 times and his first instinct is to worry about others, man was too good for the world.
As Kennedy lay mortally wounded, Juan Romero cradled his head and placed a rosary in his hand. Kennedy asked Romero, "Is everybody OK?", and Romero responded, "Yes, everybody's OK." Kennedy then turned away from Romero and said, "Everything's going to be OK."
RFK was one of those men that you just knew was going to change history. I wonder what the United States would look like if he made it.
I honestly don't know how America didn't just implode during that time. I mean, JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr, all great political icons, were all assassinated within 5 years of each other. That's absolutely nuts.
Followed by Watergate, and then the pardon. Crazy times.
My dad graduated college in 1968. I graduated college in 1999. I thought I saw the world change with 9/11. Nope. Dad has me beat. Korean War. Man on the moon, JFK assassination, Vietnam War, RFK assassination. MLK assassination. Woodstock. Watergate. My dad seriously lived the lyrics of We Didn’t Start the Fire and the entire script of Forest Gump.
Oh what could have been.
She was a very frail woman that was often sick and battling depression. She was also epileptic and this had to be hidden from the public because people thought epilepsy was a mental illness while others thought it was demonic possession.
Thought it was going to be, 'assassin uses cute little girl to lure the publics and secret services gaze from the president'.
Assassins HATE her. How a 12 year old killed the president in 3 easy steps.
Assassins and Business Tycoons HATE her! How a 12 year old foiled the plans of America's richest men!
isn't that the sequel to the professional?
I don't think the Secret Service existed at that point. I might be wrong, but McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, and maybe Arthur all got shot or shot at before it was created.
The Secret Service existed but it wasn’t until McKinley got assassinated that they were given the extra job of protecting the President. They were actually founded shortly after Lincoln’s death to investigate counterfeit currencies for the Treasury but as they were larger sized they investigated all sorts of federal crimes and murders before getting assigned as protection for the President as well.
McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, and maybe Arthur all got shot or shot at before it was created
lol that seems like a lot of Presidents to get shot before someone said "hey maybe we should hire some guards to make sure people stop shooting our Presidents"
After Pearl Harbor the Secret Service needed an armored car (since the US was now at war) real fast to get FDR to a big speech so they took Al Capone’s armored car out of impound or whatever it’s called. It had 3,000 pounds of armor, police lights, and a police scanner. They used that until the presidential limo was given the same features.
Well, they, like other organizations, only pay enough to do the bare minimum...until the minimum moves.
Example: the Triangle Shirt Waist factory was a big example of the bare minimum moving for worker safety and fire escapes. Those girls died a horrible death, but those girls help set the standard for fire safety that has saved and continues to save people into the modern era.
Possibly, hardly learnt anything about US history in Australia.
That being said he would still have had bodyguards though?
The assassin was originally planning to shoot the girl, but since she had the luck charm the bullets instead went into McKinley.
No, the girl shot him because the carnation was more of a violet color but her favorite was red
Lol that sub is all corny made up shit now
Happens to all subreddits like that when they make it big. Sucks.
And every post is basically the same, if you've seen one post from there you've seen them all.
Its so corny when they respond to the “person” with “r/choosingbeggars” Like “im so cool i go on reddit” but really its embarrassing as fuck especially when u consider how fake it sounds
Little girl: "The President of the United States had this carnation.
No,no, the whole thing was planned. The carnation is like an elder wand and she had to kill him in order to be accepted as its master
It was a set up all along.
The girl later became Fortune from Metal Gear Solid 2
So she was an accomplice? It's very likely that McKinley knew the second the girl asked him for the carnation that his time had come. McKinley locked eyes with his juvenile assassin and for a fleeting moment a wry smile probably crossed his face as he finally, after so many decades, discarded his magic carnation for the last time. The little girl whose name was probably Tango, or Scorpion, felt an unfamiliar emotion wash over her as she gave the signal for Czolgosz to move in, was it doubt? No, shame was closer. She would not waver, there was too much at stake here, but a part of her died as she felt the carnation's internal defense system mesh with her cellular structure. William, the last of the McKinlinites in the entire galactic sector was about to ascend to the infinite plane and nothing would ever be the same again.
Came here to say this.
Thanks for this. I busted up laughing for a solid minute and couldn't stop. Found this funnier than the story.
Pretty much the one time this response was a good idea.
Yeah, so many of us were going to write that, but simplecountry_lawyer just got here first.
VERY well written and entertaining.
THE RISE of THEODORE ROOSEVELT
I like to wonder what would've happened had McKinley survived. Being president really helped build Roosevelt's brand, to the point where he was able to take a large enough portion of the vote in 1912, for a party that was essentially set up to give him a third term, to split the Republicans enough to put Woodrow Wilson in the big chair in time for World War I. Roosevelt oozed charisma and energy, and backed policies that only became more popular for the common folk as the Gilded Age dragged on, so his ultimate ascension to the Presidency probably wasn't going to be stopped by him being VP, often then being seen as a career-ending position usually given to people to boot them safely upstairs. What kind of a world would we be in if his rise was delayed just enough for him to be in charge at the right time to drive America balls-deep into the Great War soon after it started?
I'm just curious about what would've happened if Taft hadn't run and the Republican vote hadn't been split. The entire 20th and 21st centuries could've been completely different.
Oh yeah, and the more Teddy Roosevelt the better, IMO.
AlternateHistoryHub had an excellent video recently regarding this in a way. Basically what if Roosevelt won in 1912 instead of Wilson.
Yeah, I had seen that video. God, Wilson was a weirdo. One of my favourite quotes from David Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister in the last half of World War I, was when he was asked how the Versallies Treaty negotiations went. His reply was "Pretty well, I think, considering I was sitting next to Napoleon (Georges Clémenceau) and Jesus Christ (Woodrow Wilson).", which I think sums up the general European attitude to Wilson's "We're too godly and pure for this pointless imperial squabble even though we had entered it and are now trying to tell everyone what the peace is going to be like" shtick.
I wonder which Warehouse that carnation ended up in. It's gotta be an Artifact, right?
That's the first mention of that show I've seen in a long time ... wasn't even sure if it was a mention!
I know right, love that show, have all the episodes!
It belongs in a museum!
So if that girl held onto that flower, she should be 113 years old today
I read an article years ago that said she kept the flower in a family bible but years later opened it up and it fell out in pieces.
Mkinley standing in doorway watching this scene unfold
Hueh hueh, and now you too rest in pieces bitch
Fires shotgun point black in slow motion
Well, she was never shot.
Fun fact... the doctors decided to dig to find the bullet, which ended up killing him.
While President McKinley did die from a gangrene infection, you're probably thinking of President James A. Garfield. He's better know for the infection likely from doctors' unwashed hands while trying to find the bullet.
Garfield was shot 120 days into office but died 79 days later. What a way to go...
Yes, you are right. They both died at mercy of the doctors. I believe McKinley died due to them using metal detectors and them forcing trying to find the bullet, leading to the overall infection. They both had extremely similar fates. I may be wrong though.
The newspaper I have framed in my office from that day says, "America's Beloved President is Dead." Can you imagine the headline mess that would be in the newspaper today if the president was assassinated?
I sure hope Trump isn't assassinated. Hate the man with every fiber of my being but if he turns into some kind of right wing martyr it would be such a shitshow.
Depends on the company!
Washington Post and 90% of other papers:
“At long last, our national nightmare is over”
WSJ, CS Monitor, and a few others:
“President Trump Dead, Age 72
“Hillary Clinton Adds Another Kill To Her Bodycount”
And then the world got to meet President Theodore Fucking Roosevelt.
Who came sprinting down a mountain in the Adirondacks, fresh from a kill, to receive the news.
He's after me Lucky Charms
The Red Carnation was a powerful warding spell that President McKinley foolishly parted with. The Rogue Assassin Leon Czolgosz, seeing the President unguarded, knew this would be his only opportunity to strike.
Was she charged?
And that little girl....?
My great great great grandpa Jack campaigned with him and took care of his farm in Minerva, OH. My grandparents and my father both grew up on that farm as well and I inherited a bunch of memoirs from McKinley including a signed Portrait of him. Super cool fact. Thanks OP.
... by the girl.
What a bitch