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James Gunn slowly materializes from dust
Fun Reddit gold isn't something one considers when balancing the universe. But this... does put a smile on my face.
Wait so what happens to his DC affiliations and project?
Evidently, he's committed to the Suicide Squad sequel but Marvel is OK with waiting until he's done before they get started.
I think 'OK' might be relative here. I'm willing to bet that they tried negotiating his break from Suicide Squad. But with immense pressure from fans, as well as the support of seemingly every major creative director in Hollywood, he likely had a huge negotiating power and stood firm that he'd finish SS.
If they'd tried to force him out of SS2, WB would have had a fucking field day.
They film GotG 3 after suicide squad 2.
Mr. Stark, I feel so good.
Marvel Studios has agreed to commence production on Guardians of the Galaxy 3 after Gunn completes Suicide Squad 2.
Imagine telling someone in 2016 that James Gunn would be fired from GOTG, hired to do a Suicide Squad sequel, and then re-hired to do GOTG 3 after he finishes up Suicide Squad. It's so weird even with context now.
How about telling that to someone in 2012. "What's a suicide squad? Who are the guardians of the galaxy and why do they have three movies? Who the fuck is James Gunn?"
James Gunn, man, legendary director of Slither?
"James Gunn works for Disney and Donald Trump is president?"
"Ronald Reagan? The ACTOR?"
“Wait, the guy from Predator? Governor?”
And you dont even know which one I’m talking about.
Oh, God. You're right. I knew both of them were in Predator, and that was funny, but never quite thought about the fact that there were two future Governors in that movie at the same time.
It was like the idea of just one of them made me forget about the other one. Is this what total denial is like?
80s/90s action movies predicted everything. Demolition Man predicted Arnold's political career, video calling, self-driving cars, Taco Bell winning the franchise wars, Wesley Snipes in prison, Teleconferences, Biometric implants, Tablets, Voice activated appliances, youtube-esque training videos.
I'm still waiting for the 3 Seashells.
Edit: Forgot, VR sex too! We are living in Demolition Man 2.
I'm guessing this means Bautista will return?
Edit: I get it, he was always there/mastered the art of standing incredibly still. Stop beating that invisible horse.
He never left. He was very public about his dissatisfaction with their decision to fire Gunn. Then he threaten to quit if they scrapped the Guardians 3 script that Gunn wrote, which they didn't.
Batista: "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT"
Edit: A Batista joke is about the last thing I ever expected to get gold for but thank you!
Disney: No. We'll do it my way.
Batista: YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME WHAT I WANT
Disney: I'm not going give you a damn thing.
Batista: I KNOW YOU. I SEE IT. IT'S KILLING YOU. IT'S TEARING YOU APART
DISNEY: IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT?
BATISTA: GIVE ME WHAT I WANT
Disney: YOU'RE ON
That was a super weird promo.
I actually thoroughly enjoyed it for the meme-ability.
Email conversation between my wife and I on Wednesday:
Wife: I am going to Trader Joe’s after work. Do you need anything beyond the usual?
Me: You know what I want!!!!!
Wife: Tell me what you want!!!!!!!!
I'll tell you what I want! What I really, really want!
My guess is no one else good wanted to replace gunn. I highly doubt disney caved for any reason other than knowing the movie would suck without gunn.
Captain Marvel kind of struck me as an example of what Guardians 3 without Gunn might look like.
It had a lot of the elements -- the kree, ronin, a nostalgic soundtrack, and a bit of a sense of humor. All told it was a pretty fun film, but never quite as creative or delightful as Guardians.
I just don't think the chemistry was there. I think the acting was great and everything felt right, it just didn't quite convince me like guardians did. I also didn't expect Guardians to be nearly as good as it was, as I had no idea about the characters whatsoever. Everything about Guardians just sucked me into the universe and made me involved.
Guardians is probably the best of the MCU movies. Capt Marvel, in the middle, at best, for exactly what you stated. It never "clicked" they way Guardians did, even for it's faults.
Guardians and Thor Ragnarok are my two favorite stand alone movies. Each was extremely unique and blew away my expectations. Ragnarok I had a little more hype for because I love Taika Waititi, but he absolutely took the worst Marvel story line and made it an absolute gem. It is one of the only movies I can watch over and over again because everything about it just hits.
Holy shit. It's a Michael Scott story!
the james gunn paper company
"I don't care if
Ryan James Gunn murdered his whole family, he's like a son to me!"
I'll see your situation and I'll raise you a situation. Your studio is losing its reputation left and right. You have a stockholder meeting coming up and you're going to have to explain to them why your oversized company's public goodwill is bleeding. So they may be looking for a little change in the CEO. So I don't think I need to wait out Disney. I think I just have to wait out you.
Gained mad respect for Michael when he played that card.
Michael is simultaneously a business genius and a massive idiot.
It makes me wonder how much he played up his antics for the documentary crew
Michael's whole schtick is that he plays everything up for everyone all the time. He just wants to be liked, and he thinks the best way to do that is be the wacky likeable guy that has fun, but he goes way overboard and doesn't know how to shut it off.
But as to the Dinner Mifflin Paper Company ordeal, that was essentially a sales negotiation when you get right down to it, which Michael had demonstrated an incredible talent for in the past. What he failed at was management.
I don’t think he failed at management honestly, that branch was the best one in the company. And the management position went to shambles after he left until Dwight finally became manager. When Michael is out of the office a day and Jim has to take over for birthdays, he tries to do them all/multiple of them at once. Michael points out that he’s tried it and that Jim will learn. I think that scene gives a lot of insight on why Michael does some of the things he does. Though as mentioned above he does go overboard too often.
Well well well how the turntables...
“Suicide Squad 2 is worth nothing, that’s the difference between you and I, Movie making isn’t about money to me, if tomorrow my movie flops, I’ll just make another, and another, and another. I have no shortage of failing DC content to sign on to”
This is shocking. I think everyone had gave up on the idea of this being a possibility a long time ago. Personally, I'm really excited to see how James Gunn ends the trilogy.
Cue the spontaneous combustion of Reddit.
I'm sad at the lack of Batista jokes. He is the true hero in all this.
Dude honestly showed how good of a bloke he is. Mad props.
Holy shit, what a week for the MCU!
Seriously. What's next? Xmen get unveiled?
Alexa play 90’s X-Men Theme
I knew a local band that used to open their sets with that, was awesome. Sorry guys this was in about 2003
Was it Powerglove? Those dudes rock.
Endgame postcredits scene
The fix to the snap inadvertently changes the timeline in unexpected ways and creates the mutant gene?
"Beloved director Bryan Singer to direct the first X-Men MCU film"
Oh no, that would be bad.
howard the duck standalone movie?
This is so awesome to hear! Does this mean Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 can still come out next year? EDIT: Nevermind, just read the article, he's doing Suicide Squad first. That's dope that he gets to do both!
Nope. Suicide Squad 2 will be made first, then Gunn will move on to GotG 3
I don't think so. It was probably planned to film soon originally but every since the firing I'm sure the actors changed up their schedules to film other stuff.
I guess they could use whatever pre-production work they had completed before the firing, but that would be a hell of a production crunch. The actors may have booked other projects in the assumed downtime too, so rescheduling negotiations would have to be really aggressive.
It's not 100% impossible, but it's very unlikely.
EDIT: the article goes on to say that Disney agree to let Gunn complete Suicide Squad 2 before starting production on GotG3, so it looks even more unlikely, sorry
Actually surprised by this but welcome news.
What else happened, I live in a hole
Glad to see Disney finally make the right decision regarding this
I think it helped other Directors were turning it down in protest. it was a team effort
And the entire GOTG cast with Dave Bautista threatening to leave. Seriously, a person shouldn't be persecuted for their far past and tweets. This is awesome news.
Dave Bautista has a WrestleMania match this year that I'm almost positive is a direct result of this whole situation.
He told HHH "give me what I want" and he got it. Bet he told the same to the mouse. And he got it.
He's actually been asking wwe and triple h for years that he wanted a match between the two at wrestlemania. Triple H had been turning him down for years because apparently Dave had told wwe he was doing Guardians, they laughed and thought it'd flop cos it's just a small thing nobody has heard of. And then when it was a smash hit critically and commercially, Trips got jealous, because he's been trying to be an actor too, with far less success. And WWE have their own movies they make too, which never do that well and are straight to dvd type fare.
I'm glad the match is finally happening though. Wrestlemania currently isn't looking too interesting of a card, so it needs all the help it can get. What IS great about it is that the women's match is apparently gonna be the actual main event for the first time ever.
I fucking love Dave, he stands by his guns.
what else happened this week? Did I miss something?
The correct decision, I heard Feige never wanted him fired in the first place, so this is a good call.
Isn’t he the head of marvel studios so it was his decision or did Disney strong arm him? Sorry not familiar with the corporate structure here
He is the head of Marvel, but Disney decided to step in and overrule Feige, I believe. Guess they changed their mind.
I think it was one exec at Disney who pushed the decision, and basically Bob Iger (Disney's CEO) didn't want to go against one of his execs publicly.
Feige and the Guardians' cast probably pushed hard to get him back these past few months.
It was implied the actors intended to work-to-rule if he was not reinstated... they have a contractual obligation to be in the movie, but not to be good at it.
Damn, a part of me wants to see the movie with all the actors trying their best to ruin it by hamming up their performances.
An example of this has to exist already and I really want to know what it is.
Theodore Rex is a great example of this. Whoopi Goldberg verbally promised to take part in it, but then after Sister Act was massively successful she wanted to bail. She was threatened by a lawsuit over it, and considering Kim Bassinger had just been successfully sued for the same thing, she acquiesced and just did an absolutely terrible performance in the movie.
Absolutely terrible movie, but in a so-bad-its-good way. Definitely recommend checking it out and listening to the episode of How Did This Get Made which goes into it a bit more.
A non-movie example from WWE is the Hulk Hogan-Shawn Michaels match. The match was considered a dream match that never could happen because of the egos of the two stars.
Finally, Michaels agreed to lose to Hogan (spoilers kids) but only if they had a second match where Michaels could win. Hogan initially agreed, but as the day of the match drew closer Hogan took back his word and said they were only going to do the one match, with Hogan as the victor. Nobody was going to tell Hogan no, and the match was extremely hyped up, so Michaels didn't have that much bargaining power.
So he completely phones in the whole match by over-selling every move. Hogan would throw a punch and Michaels would run to the other side of the ring and leap over the ropes, sprawl onto the floor, then get up and run to the fans and collapse in front of them, 20 feet from the ring. It's a pleasure to watch.
Random Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgB1A5EKp8w&t=130s
One specific example of overselling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dNgMo6ycQA
Context for the fight: https://youtu.be/_rQlBD9CXqo?t=318
Full match, poor quality. Timestamp at 5:56 to see Michaels act like someone leaving a bar at 2am, and Hogan's reaction when he realizes what Shawn Michaels is doing. https://youtu.be/EAKvkXzXAUI?t=356
*EDIT: used better videos to demonstrate the overselling. I couldn't find a clean version of the full match. It's Summerslam 2005.
I really enjoyed this write up, thank you! Strangely enough the videos just kind of make me more impressed with Michaels agility and athleticism, doing all those weird rolls and flips to make it all look cartoonish but he also looks so graceful. Hogan's kind of an egomaniac so it was funny seeing his reactions in this match when he figuresit out.
While not quite what you're asking, the narration by Harrison Ford in the original Blade Runner is kind of the same thing. NOBODY involved in the project wanted the narration, but some suit demanded it, so Ford obliged doing the worst job he could without making it obvious; fully expecting the suit to give in once he saw (heard) how bad it was. Unfortunately either the suit was really stubborn or really obtuse because the narration was kept in.
Ford claims he didn't (intentionally) do a bad job but I have a hard time believing that because it's that bad. Hear for yourself; someone went through the effort of making a 5 minute montage.
On the other hand I remember hearing Ford was angry and miserable during most of the shooting of Blade Runner, not because of the movie itself, but because of production conditions and stuff like that, and that some claim it was this misery and anger that allowed him to give such a great performance. I believe it's in one of Ridley Scotts commentaries in one of the editions.
Wasn't Batista refusing threating to quit if Gunn didn't come back? Would have done some serious damage I imagine.
He said he would fulfill the obligations of his contract because he keeps his promises, but would never work on a Disney project again.
Well he did say he would strongly consider not doing it if Gunn's script wasn't used.
Jesus, to be a fly on the wall of the conversations between the Disney execs, Feige, Gunn, and the cast.
Apparently Alan Horn (the guy who made the call to fire Gunn) and Gunn actually met 1 on 1 a few times too (probably at Bob Iger's demand) and eventually the question became how and when to reinstate him rather than whether or not to reinstate him.
“Okay, James, you had some disturbing and weird tweets so now we have to get to the bottom of this.”
“They were for shock humor. I worked in Troma. It’s what you do.”
“Uh huh, well just to be safe we have to give you the pedophile test.”
“The pedophile test. It’s very scientific. Our Imagineers came up with it. So... take a look at this picture of this child. What does it make you feel?”
“Like... not molesting children?”
Horn claps his hands together
“WELCOME BACK TO THE HOUSE OF MOUSE, BABY BOY!”
Horn stuffs the picture of the child in his pocket for later use
Alan Horn was behind the firing and reinstatement - Feige reports directly to Horn who reports to head honcho Bob Iger.
Legend says Iger reports to the Mouse himself.
You mean the Futurama style head of Walt Disney?
I've heard cobspiracy theory that Disney made a movie called frozen so when people googled Walt Disney frozen. It would stop coming up with his corpse on ice.
And the bonus was a multibillion dollar movie.
Wow. That makes a lot of sense.
See, this is the kind of conspiracy theory I want to see when I start googling around for them. Nowadays it's all part of a stupid political agenda or anti-vaxxers.
When did so many people start really believing this stuff?
I can't believe he gets to do both Suicide Squad and finish his Guardians trilogy, this is AWESOME
This made me realize that not many directors now are getting to see trilogies through fruition in the director’s chair. Thinking about Avengers, Star Wars (Sequels/OG), X-Men (1-3), and Jurassic World to name a few.
Nolan is the last one I can think of that got a whole trilogy. Jackson with the Hobbit flicks. Hell, even the newer X-Men movies started with Vaughn on First Class and then switched to Singer once the property was refreshed.
HEAR ME AND REJOICE! GUARDIANS 3 IS SAVED!!! 2 HOURS OF ROCKET AND NEBULA AWKWARD CONVERSATION HERE WE COME!!!
I can't stop this feeling.....
i'm just glad this probably means drax is saved as well
Must've been hard for Disney to drop their ego and reinstate Gunn.
Sounds like it was a mix of many things.
Disney fired Gunn, not Marvel studios. Kevin Feige was not pleased with the decision.
No directors accepting directing GotG 3, some even advocating for rehiring Gunn.
Gunn getting a job at DC, which is considered the direct competition.
Gunn taking it like a champ, and dealing with the situation calmly. It also looks like he met with Alan Horn a few times.
The crazy right wing people that dug up the tweets moving on to something else.
I like to believe Dave Bautista's support also helped. He made it clear day 1 that he sided with Gunn and not Disney in this case. Not completely sure about the other actors, but I believe they were more neutral in it all (although they all did sign that letter).
OOGA CHAKA INTENSIFIES
Why the change of heart? After the firing, Walt Disney Studios president Alan Horn met with Gunn on multiple occasions to discuss the situation. Persuaded by Gunn’s public apology and his handling of the situation after, Horn decided to reverse course and reinstate Gunn.
Gunn handled everything the right way and had the entire cast on his side. This was the right move for everyone.
From what I hear, GOTG 3 has an incredible script. That franchise is his baby. What he said years ago was bad, but he apologized for it years and years BEFORE this happened. They knew about this when they hired him. They did to him what studios should have been done to Polanski or Allen, even though he never actually did the act and APOLOGIZED for the tweets. I am happy we're getting the conclusion.
Good. James Gunn is the fuckin' poster-child for a guy who CHANGED his behavior ON HIS OWN without first being caught. He spoke OPENLY about it for YEARS and still Disney fired him. This was ridiculous from day one. He self-corrected. That's what we want people to do. He didn't need to be forced into an apology.
The Guardians movies are somewhat of a mirror to that. They are all assholes and shitty persons but they grow and become better.
Was Gunn ever even a shitty person though? Afaik he was a bit edgy and that's about it.
Yeah this. Absolutely an edgelord but nobody that's worked with him had a single bad thing to say about the time. Important extra distinction: never had a single bad thing to say about him during the era where people are finally being open about systemic mistreatment and abuse.
If there was ever a time for someone to step up and talk about Gunn doing something legitimately awful, the opportunity was there where the world would have embraced that person with open arms and kick Gunn to the curb.
In Gunn's words, he made those tweets because he wanted to be provocative at the time. It's understandable for a young unknown filmmaker that wants to stand out to do something like this, but when he realized how he came across he's regretted it up until the present.
He got his start at Troma. He’s close personal friends with Lloyd Kauffman. He reached public consciousness with projects like Slither, Super, and PG Porn. The idea that he made crude, schlocky, gross jokes during that period shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. It was where he was professionally, not personally.
That was my entire reaction to the "outrage" about him... I was just left wondering "you all know where he came from, right?"
He's never been a squeaky clean guy, he's always had a subversive edgelord sense of humor, but he's always been a stand up guy. The word police got on his shit hard.
I was just listening to the GOTG vol 2. soundtrack this morning and thought to myself, I really hope they use his script. And I hope they ask for his guidance in what songs to use... Then I just read this post and thought...
GUARDIANS OF THE GALXY VOL. 3: A NEW HOPE
The fact that they never made any real effort to replace him (according to the article) leads me to believe this was the plan all along.
"Hey, James, we're finger quotes 'firing' you and moving back GotG3. Go produce something for Sony to mess with the superman mythos and we'll rehire you to direct the delayed movie when this has blown over a bit."
sigh "He wasn't supposed to go help Warner Brother's. Get him back here."
So what happens to Suicide Squad 2?
GotG3 will be made after Suicide Squad 2.
So, Gunn kinda comes out ahead from this whole thing. Like, he ended up getting an extra gig he probably wouldn't have otherwise.
He's definitely the big winner here. SS2, GotG3 huge wave of public support to boot.
Guessing we don’t get Guardians 3 until 2021 at the earliest with this but hopefully worth the wait!
From the article:
Marvel Studios has agreed to commence production on Guardians of the Galaxy 3 after Gunn completes Suicide Squad 2.