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I sheathe my weapon. We learned this back in 1989 when playing Prince of Persia.
Wait you had to sheathe the weapon? Is that why I could never pass that section? Please say no..
I’m sorry yes
Welcome to "I was a certified retard when I was 6" world. There's....a lot of us.
Yep! When you jumped through the mirror you split your self. You have to make peace with your mirror-half to rejoin with them. It was a neat moment.
Ha i remember that!
Giving him alcohol
Yeah whichever found either the cocaine, alcohol or Xanax first and gave it to the other would win hands down. However if they found it and started they would loose so fast too.
Whichever of us finds the gear and booze gives some of it to the other, and then rewards themselves with the rest.
We both lose.
I let myself win, so that the surviving one (we are copies) is unharmed from the experience.
but then your copy also tries to let you win
It is now a game of Ultimate Canadian!
But seriously, if that is how the mirror match works, no one could ever win, if both copies do the same thing simultaneously
But seriously, if that is how the mirror match works, no one could ever win, if both copies do the same thing simultaneously
In that scenario theoretically whichever has the wind at their back will have slightly stronger punches. Or one would mess up their footing on something and gain the disadvantage
In that scenario theoretically whichever has the wind at their back will have slightly stronger punches.
U an Airbender, bruh?
I tell him that someone he is friends with thinks he's annoying
Ask him if they really enjoy his company or they just tolerate him. Ask him when the last time anyone invited him to do something was, and why he is always the one to ask others to hang out, and not the other way around.
E: great, my top rated comment is a description of my worst struggle with social anxiety.
It would immediately put them into a suicidal state, but then you would also end up in the same state, so you both cry and lose
You can't get the xp if you don't deal the finishing blow
This is why I love Reddit. I'm so sad and alone and I read this type of shit and realize I'm not as alone as I think.
Brilliant!!! Let him fall and drown in a deep bottomless pool of self-pity and hopelessness.
Dude, as soon as he sees and hears himself, he'll take his own life, guaranteed
Edit: Holy shit, this blew up! Thanks everyone, and thanks for the gold!
"that's what i sound like?! god what a whiny bitch"
I swear everytime I hear an audioclip of myself I want to shove a pencil through my eardrums. Other people assure me it's fine, but to me it just sounds atrocious.
So, if our in-head voices are that much better than our actual voices, imagine what Morgan Freeman's voice sounds like in his head.
Shit, just imagine the confidence a Morgan Freeman or a James Earl Jones has in life not having to question if they sound like a fucking moron to everyone but themselves
This is the correct answer.
Knives: What happened?
Scott: Oh, nothing, we just shot the shit. He's, he's just a really nice guy. We're gonna get brunch next week. We, uh, we actually have a lot in common.
I really like how this reminds you that Scott is actually a big enough asshole that his dark double is actually a nice guy...
If only the movie was like the book(s) and actually dedicated a section to Scott coming to grips with the fact that he’s really kinda shitty.
I still love the movie to death and Edgar Wright did amazing but there’s so many gripes I have with the movie version of Scott and Ramona in particular.
I remember being told that Scott being shitty was supposed to be part of the ending, but a happy ending was pushed by the producers instead
What Happy Ending? The ending was a reference to the Graduate. They are both terrible people (despite some fun quirks) and they deserve each other.
After a bit of digging, it would seem that there are two endings, and one has more emphasis on that aspect than the other.
I haven't read the books yet, please spoil, am curious, thank you
In the books a lot of the things he mentions in the movie are lies. Him and Kim did date but the version he gives is bullshit, he actually beat up a bunch of people and a guy who really liked Kim for basically no other reason than he thought she was cute. They do date after but his family moves away and he forgets to tell Kim so she doesnt know what happened to him until they meet again years later.
His whole life is basically revealed to be him gaslighting himself into thinking he is a good person. And he is basically an evil ex, just one that people were willing to give another shot because he is too stupid to even understand what he did wrong.
Adding on to that, the book's version of "Nega-Scott" is really the parts of Scott that he (more than likely knowingly) ignored to continuing believing that he was an innocent victim that bad things manage to keep happening to. He merges back together with him and the ending shows him making legitimate steps to being a better person.
This is contrasted with Gideon, who literally invented a power that allows him to ignore everyone's problems and feelings than his own. Scott realizes that Gideon and himself are pretty much the same, and in the end he pities him.
Piggybacking as well (since i’m at work and I see other pilgrim fanatics helped fill in the blanks) my biggest issues with the movie versions of the characters can be summed by these small details as well
In the book: Scott didn’t give a shit about how many people he had to fight, he just fought them bc he knew that was the task, and kept it moving because (and I can’t remember if it’s mentioned even once in the movie) he’s the greatest fighter in Toronto.
In the movie: Scott starts whining after the 3rd fight “how many more guys gotta beat my ass Ramona blah blah” as if she didn’t literally tell him he had to do this and he literally didn’t say “okay cool can we make out now”
In the book: Ramona gets mad at Scott because Scott had a whole girlfriend when he first started flirting with Ramona and he didn’t tell her. When she confronted him he said “nah I cheated on her with YOU, you didn’t get cheated on” which isn’t cool at all.
In the movie: Ramona gets mad at Scott & leaves strictly because he’s crying about the fighting. She then, randomly tells him “sorry, i’m with gideon, he just has a control over me” (which makes sense narrative wise, but doesn’t in the flow of their issues)
I just couldn’t stand that because it always felt like the movie was basically humanizing them for the audience, as if mid fight I could agree with Scott being “fed up” with fighting for Ramona’s love, as if this isn’t a world full of + 1 Ups and able opportunity to just walk away if that’s not what you wish to deal with from “blue haired american girl”.
**Quick Edit: My mistake on the cheating with knives error, it was brought up, but I guess I glossed over it when I remembered the first time Ramona saw him play in the movie, Knives runs up and kisses him, and neither of them mention anything about it. Leading me to believe that just wasn’t touched on.
Scott being a fighter isn't mentioned at all in the movie. His character is portrayed as kinda passive and puny. I always wondered how he was beating these people in fights.
I always thought of it as a metaphor for coming to terms with your significant other's relationship history. Like he feels like he's not a match for any of them until he finds one way he's better, and then he uses that to convince himself that he's the best.
Like if your girlfriend had a really attractive ex, you might try to learn more about him until you realize he was really dumb, and then you can move on.
You're leaving out some important stuff though. He's not just causally forgiven for being a lovable oaf, he earns his redemption by fighting (metaphorically and literally) to be better than he was. That's why it's so good; because it's not over for you if you started off as a shitty person, you can do better.
Hard to summarize but I'll try. I also might forget a few things cause it's been a while since I've actually read them. During book five, Scott is in the middle of trying to find a way to beat the Katayanagi Twins, when Ramona finds out that Scott had cheated on her with Knives way back at the start of their relationship. This causes Ramona to get reasonably pissed, but Scott is too busy trying to save Kim, as the Twins end up kidnapping her. After Scott beats the twins, he returns home to find Ramona leaving. This is Ramona's signature move after all, she always dumps the guy and just leaves when she doesn't know how else to deal with a situation. Well, the next book picks up and no one really knows where she went, so Scott is trying to find a way to move on, unsuccessfully. Throughout this time, he spends time with Knives, Envy, and Kim (his ex's) and starts to realize that he remembers himself the victim when in reality, they tell him he was the asshole. In the meantime, you see glimpes of Nega-Scott, like occasionally appearing as a reflection in the mirror and etc. At one point, Scott is on a hike with Kim and Scott attempts to kiss Kim. She reminds him of how he was the one who broke up with her, which causes Scott to be confronted with his mistakes. Nega-Scott shows up at this exact moment (because he is the embodiment of everything Scott has ever done wrong) and begins to fight him. Scott tries to defeat Nega Scott, believing it to be the only way to get over Ramona and carry on with his life. Kim Pine, however, points out that if Scott forgets his past mistakes, he won't be able to learn from and he'll just keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Scott then sees a vision of Ramona, causing him and Nega Scott to stop fighting. Then, Nega Scott merges with him, allowing Scott to finally accept his faults and remember all his past memories he had previously forgotten.
edit: Another interesting thing to note is it's later revealed that Gideon has been using subspace to get into people's heads. It's called the "glow" and he uses it to trap Ramona in her own mind and force her to come to the conclusion that she can't become a better person and should just give up and crawl back to Gideon. He reveals that he's used this on Scott a few times as well, occasionally removing a few memories while he was at it. So while Scott was the one who made his mistakes originally and was a douche, and he definitely willing repeated them and decided not to confront or accept what he had done, Gideon was also partially to blame as he had been literally messing with his head and changing how he remembered things. So TL;DR Gideon used subspace to mess with Scott and Ramona's minds, not allowing them to remember their mistakes, and hence not learn from them, so they could never become better people and would be doomed to failure. Pretty genius plan imo.
Read the books, theyre worth it. Theyre also at like every library ever in my experience so you can do it for free.
I always interpreted it as Scott, after learning self respect, was able to accept the dark parts of himself for what they are. You know, walk with your shadow instead of fighting it?
Exactly where my mind went! NEGA SCOTT
Does my copy have the same exact wife?
If not.. have her shoot the other one in the back.. I’m sure that’ll be cathartic for her.. and survival for which ever one of us she misses
We would probably just look at each other, shrug, and walk away.
Why not walk together? Think about it. You can work every other week, while the clone does other things. And on Sunday you switch.
"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it."
-- Jack Handey
I made a pact with myself that if I ever encountered my clone, sex would occur. Mandatory. Guess it would have to be death by snusnu.
Would it be masturbation?
I'm going to say no. Once the clone is created it becomes a separate person and will start to diverge from the original due to minor differences in experiences. So since it's a separate person it wouldn't be masturbation.
I remember physics we talked about cloning. My friend asked the teacher straight faced, “so if I clone myself, and have sex with myself, is that considered masterbation or incest?”
The teachers reaction was more calm the. I would’ve liked. Detention was fun though.
Proper response: "I think it'd be your first time, and you'd both cry afterwards. You can think more about that in detention. I'm sure you know where that is, it's not your first time THERE."
The mind is willing but the body is weak and spongy
If he's anything like me he won't like getting kicked in the balls.
My first instinct was to kick myself in the balls hahaha
You're supposed to hit the clone in the balls not yurself.
Your copy thinks the same and also goes for a nut shot. You're both down on the ground.
"Hey you know that girl from high school you still have a crush on after 15 years? You know that girl you still think about everyday but won't tell anyone else? Let's talk about that."
I'm glad it turns off after the 27th year...for some reason. (Vision goes bad about that time too)
Not if you keep stalking their social media
That way the image is permanently burned into your retina
That could actually be a healthy experience. Therapy is mostly about bringing the patient to talk and reflect. If both are the same, first of all there's no point keeping secrets, and second there are two minds at once trying to solve the problems you have.
Open Reddit on my phone, he should see me and do the same. We are both stuck there for at least an hour
You both post this thread trying to get help
Wait. Is that why you made this post?! Is your clone trying to kill you?
No, his clone is also browsing reddit
So only one is getting karma for this post, giving the other an even bigger reason to kill the former.
But who says they aren't using the same account?
Well... would you let someone else shitpost on your account and potentially drain all your hard-earned karma?
I wouldn't. So that clone has to go.
But what if that other person is you? You could team up to write twice the shitposts, then agree on them before you post. You would post OC faster than some spam bots
Now, now. Perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything.
"Hey, remember that Night Vale episode? Where they fight their doubles?"
"And Dana Cardinal kills hers and grows to regret it really heavily later on?"
"Let's not have regrets."
Literally listened to this episode (19A) yesterday while on a run. I started listening about a week or 2 ago thanks to a co-worker. Really enjoy it and recommend to anyone.
Without spoilers, it becomes relevant later in the series (ep 140ish)
So the winner won't regret killing the other?
Dana kills her double and is then racked with doubt as to whether or not she’s even the original. I think it’s saving the winner from self-doubt
Shit, I wouldnt care if I was the original or not. Hell, I dont even know if I'm the same me I was yesterday, or if that one died when I went to sleep and this is a new conciousness
They come in twos.
You come in twos.
You and you.
Kill your double.
There’s also a link to this amazing cat that keeps jumping in and out of boxes and oh my God, that is the cutest thing I have ever seen! Dana, you have got to post that on my wall! Oh my God, he loves those boxes so much!
It doesn't matter which of us wins, because we are identical, so its basically the same if either of us survive. Rock paper scisors for the win.
It doesn't matter to the rest of the world. To both of you, it definitely matters.
I’m an identical twin so.... I’ve been down this road many a time. In high school during a wrestling tournament there was a need for a supposed “exhibition” round for me and my brother’s weight class, apparently our district scheduled one too many bye rounds. Coach asked if we’d be willing to go for it and we did. The first period I couldn’t help but laugh my ass off. I was literally wrestling my identical twin brother legally in front of an audience from 8 different schools and just couldn’t help but laugh because I knew I could take him. Second period comes around and I had more points from a reversal on him. Of course the ref said top, bottom, or neutral (normal standing position). Of course I said neutral and my brother was still laughing during the second period. I knew what I had to do, went in for a single leg take down that almost ruined the match for me. He fell over my shoulder and brought me down under him. I was able to get based back up underneath enough to grab an arm and tuck and roll him on to his back and “T’d” up and got the pin. Now the glorious part is at the end of the tournament when we received our medals I got 2nd in our weight class because I moved on to the finals and got my ass beat bad, and he got third. Obviously confused about the placing my brother received, we inquired. Turns out the tournament had to consider our little exhibition match (pretty much a scrimmage match) as a placement match because again, too many bye rounds were set in our tournament. Long story short, I have a medal that proves I technically fought and outsmarted myself. To this day I still love giving my brother shit about it, because he’s 1 minute older.
Flip a coin. Heads, I kill myself quick and painless, tails, he does. It's an exact copy, so any fight is going to hurt us both, a lot, win or lose. Eliminate the fighting, one still walks away, just unharmed.
You're both going to think heads is you.
I turn myself into a flea, a tiny, helpless little flea. And then I put that flea inside of a box, and i put that box inside of another box, and then... I SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!
Edit: the golden rule: whoever has the gold makes the rules
kill myself, Ill win either way
Acquire lots of debt. Take out loans to go partying, Bang hookers, do all sorts of drugs, then die. Now your clone has to pay it off for the rest of his life. I doubt the IRS and creditors are gonna believe “Oh no that wasn’t me! That was my doppelgänger!” Yeah tell that to collections.
What kind of sick, sadistic asshole cashes out a 401k on his doppelganger at the marginal tax rates? You're a sociopath!
All the accountants reading this just had a mild panic attack.
It's the middle of tax season. I've grown accustomed to mild panic attacks and crippling sleep deprivation already. You can't hurt me further
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Force that asshole to continue the pain of existence.
Your copy has the same line of reasoning, they also kill themselves.
I was gonna say... I think me and my copy would just hold guns to each others heads and do a mutual "fire on the count of three". A lot easier to fire a shotgun when you're not trying to reach the trigger while holding the barrel in your mouth.
Both of me would pussy out after two
pretend to be the reflection in the "mirror".
Who is forcing us? Because we have a deal with ourselves to never work against us and instead turn on anyone attempting to force the situation.
OP. He's trying to turn you against yourself
Decide to stop fighting, and compete to outlive one another. We both end up eating healthier, exercising, and finding more joy in our lives in hopes of living longer than the other, eventually forgetting about the fight to the death part.
And then I hit her with a claw hammer.
Wouldn't she expect the claw hammer and intervene tho?
Edit: Alright alright! I get it. Once Player 2 enters the game, their experiences will change the way they think/plan. They probably wouldn't both have the claw hammer idea, at least not on the same day.
I imagine all that clean living will make her soft.
Only as soft as it makes you though, right?
Edit: Alright guys, I get it. I fucked up. Their personalities will diverge once Player 2 enters the game and their futures become unpredictable again.
Hear me out:
Something is defined by its properties, and its properties can be argued to include location in space-time. Technically, an exact copy would have all of the same properties, but you can't have to things occupying the exact same places in space-time (unless if you want to count bosons, but that's irrelevant for people), so they're not exact copies in that sense. Therefore, because they do have some subset of properties that are different between the two, the ways that she and her "exact" copy change throughout are able to differ, therefore they might not be equally soft simply because of a small difference in the initial conditions, i.e. chaos theory.
tl;dr: It's possible that they can be different enough in the end even if they are only a few feet apart for the rest of their respective lives.
She’s saying the same about you
Said me to me:
'We mustn't fight!
We ought to try
To make it right.
We'll make it good,
And soon you'll see -
There's room for two,'
Said me to me.
Said me to me:
'I think it's true -
There's room for me,
And room for you.
A place to bide,
A place to be -
A place for us,'
Said me to me.
Said me to me:
'Then let's begin -
And so we did -
I'll tell you why -
I guess we saw it...
I to I.
We’re both exact copies, so the first one to get their hands on an effective weapon will win. I just get to a knife or a gun before my duplicate does, because armed me will beat unarmed me every time.
I will go on Reddit and make a very bad post about how you should handle such a situation.
Knowing myself, my copy will go on Reddit to seek advice. He will find my post. Knowing myself, my copy would be stupid enough to believe it, he will follow the bad advice in our 1v1, and I will have the advantage.
Flawless plan right?
hey, right quick, they want us to fight to the death. wanna do this?
yep... smart move to do. Name your weapons
AD&D rules, ravenloft books, and the legendary vecna modules. one of us throws the gamemaster, one of us plays, and after we have finished the module, we switch sides, and try to see who does better.
Trick question. We'd team up and outsmart whoever is making us fight to the death.
I distract him with waffles
Are you easily distracted by waffles? If so, you both might end up fighting for the waffles...to the death
I'll make a deal with myself, we shall invade the Netherlands and get the best kind of waffles, STROOP WAFFLES!
That hit me hard. My dog was named Waffles and I would most definitely be distracted if my opponent brought out Waffles.
text myself: “where do you want to meet?” to which i’ll respond, “doesn’t matter to me. you?” this will continue for some time, eventually resulting in no decision being made, and the fight will never even happen. game, set, naps.
I outsmart myself by outsmarting myself by outsmarting myself by outsmarting myself by outsmarting myself by outsmarting myself by
A decoy snail