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I'm Irish and a lot of people here really don't like Leo Varadkar but the fact that he's half Indian and gay has literally nothing to do with it, barely ever gets mentioned and that makes me proud.
I'm not in touch with Irish politics. Why do a lot of people in Ireland dislike him?
He's a spin doctor.
He spends his time focussing on issues that are popularity contests instead of getting stuck into the serious issues like our housing crisis.
He'll do stuff like spend money on shiny new trains, and be all like "Hey check out how cool I am"
But if someone asks him about homelessness or suicide rates he dissapears.
Avoiding controversy is politics 101
He'll do stuff like spend money on shiny new trains
T'would be great if he did buy new trains, Irish Rail is struggling to cope with demands.
Our public transport infrastructure in this country is woeful and neglected. Irish Rail has been crying out for DART Underground for nearly 50 years now. The network around Dublin is choked with demands. Developments along the DART line have meant that additional tracks can't be done with costly CPOs. LUAS is a victim of it's own success, Green Line is expected to run out of capacity by 2027, earlier if all the housing estates come online that are being built out in Cherrywood and Clay Farm. BusConnects is a massively needed infrastructure and route overhaul project, using international established and proven best practices and every single local councilor and TD are shitting on it and Metrolink.
Dublin is a city that is choking itself and the Irish economy due to our inability to think beyond the next fucking election.
A very frustrated rail engineer.
Basically he's a PR soundbite machine. There's a problem with housing in this country and the government are exacerbating this problem by giving tax breaks to landlords in hope of rent being reduced. This isn't working and with stupid housing laws more people are struggling to pay rent/mortgages. Leo says this is bad but does fuck all in handling it.
There are other problems but this would be the main one for me. The one thing they've got right is the handling of Brexit but that would be more thanks to the tainiste (Deputy PM)
giving tax breaks to landlords in hope of rent being reduced
thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard and I can't believe anybody would think that would work. Where are the economists in government? He was obviously just buying votes
What's with governments around the world trying to solve financial problems faced by the poor by giving more money to the rich? Honestly, what the fuck?
Fairly severe housing & health crises, nothing being done, has been in a bad way for around 10 years now with no movement. He tells people (in their 30s) to move back in with their parents if they want to save money for a house, rather than building more apartments or houses for them to buy. Dublin is now more expensive to rent in than Paris. His govt keep changing legislation so no developers are interested in building. Massive cost overruns (> 1 billion euros) in government projects, the others (like a Dublin metro or national broadband rollout) just get shelved. In a confidence and supply agreement with their rival party, they keep sniping at each other but won't call an election because they know neither will have a majority. Homelessness is increasing year on year, working families with children find themselves on the street when their rent rises and there is nothing available on the market. Or the government put them into a hotel for months on end. Expensive for the taxpayer, and terrible for the children and families involved. Rising immigration rates of feral thugs contributes to tensions, as you can imagine. While we do have public healthcare, you could be waiting 2-4 years to see a doctor for your ailment. His cabinet is predominantly made up of what you might call "posh boys" from the leafy Dublin suburbs, and they don't really resonate with a lot of the voting pool.
If you're doing ok, you either like him or you don't mind him.
If you're struggling (which a lot of people are), his government aren't really doing anything for you.
EDIT: I am turning off inbox replies because you assholes have to make everything about race and immigration.
I'm Irish too and to be fair and honest, when was the last time we actually really liked our taoiseach? (Irish term for pm). None will ever fully please us and as such we will always dislike them. Varadkar has his good points but also his real bad points.
Is that pink lady mrs pence?
That's his sister. The article I read didn't say why Mother was unable to attend.
Is there a tag-team situation with Pence’s sister, for her to “stand-in” for Pence’s wife (who he literally—publicly—refers to as “Mother,” for any international readers who have no clue what on Earth is going on in these comments)…
Because the sister “standing-in” to chaperone the Vice President of the United States, when his wife is unavailable to chaperone him, which is supposed to be to keep him from being alone with other women, but in this case is keeping him from being alone with two gay men… Is making me feel like I am having an acid flashback, the more that I think about it.
Totally out of the loop, does he legit go “Mother and I...”?? And what’s that about another woman & not being alone with one? Did I miss a scandal or something lol
I mean, with the shit Trump pulls, the news doesn't really have time to make a big deal of it. But yes, really calls her mother and is not allowed to
be eat with women unsupervised. The vice president. It's just one of those things we laugh at in between the crying.
Edit: thanks r/cyberneticpanda for pointing out that I need to read, not skim. "In March 2017, The Washington Post noted that U.S. Vice President Mike Pence had adopted a version of this rule, in that he will not have dinner alone with any woman other than his wife Karen." -Wikipedia
Thanks, US, for giving me something to laugh at after another day of Brexit insanity here in the UK.
returns to watching our government repeatedly kick the country in the dick
"We have not even BEGUN to fuck ourselves!" - Last Week Tonight
He's allowed to be with women, but he's not allowed to eat with them.
”The Billy Graham rule is a practice among male evangelical Protestant leaders, in which they avoid spending time alone with women to whom they are not married. It is named after Billy Graham, a proponent of the practice, although recently has also been called the Mike Pence rule."
Edit:Thanks r/cyberneticpanda for point out that it is always good to read the page, not just quote the first thing that I see. From further on the page: "In March 2017, The Washington Post noted that U.S. Vice President Mike Pence had adopted a version of this rule, in that he will not have dinner alone with any woman other than his wife Karen."
Pence feels it’s not right for a married man to be alone, for any significant amount of time, with any woman but blood relations and his wife. He calls his wife Mother because she’s the mother of their children.
These are features, not bugs. It’s because the Christ-o-Bot 2016v is programmed with such precision. A sign of quality American craftsmanship, really.
Did I miss a scandal or something lol
No, you're just from a different century as he is.
The funny thing is that Mike Pence is actually a lot younger than most people think, despite his look and belief (He's 59. Trump is 73 and Hillary is 71).
It's not really a scandal, more just how uptight Pence is. He refers to Mrs. Pence as "mother" and refuses to be alone with any woman who is not his wife. It's part of his oddly repressed brand of ultraconservative Christianity.
(who he literally—publicly—refers to as “Mother,” for any international readers who have no clue what on Earth is going on in these comments)
Thank you so much for that but it somehow doesn't make it less confusing. This right here feels super weird to me. Is it in some way a normal to call someone mother in the U.S.?
It’s pretty weird, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve noticed it happens in families where the father spends a lot of time with his children and often refers to his wife as “mother” to them, and then gradually begins to call her that himself.
It's one time to call your wife mother or mom when talking to your children, it's something else to call her that on CNN
Thank you for the explanation. Also: wtf??!!!
Reading that Ronald Reagan called his wife “mommy” made me want to puke.
My dad got into the habit of calling my mom "Mommy" because that's what me and my siblings called her. So I can't really relate to how you're feeling about this. And also when i first heard about the whole "daddy" thing, my first thought was that it must be a wholesome nickname, not a kinky one.
I've been calling my wife "mamma" (among other things) for 27 years because we have a daughter who did the same. It's just a thing some people do. Of course, our daughter is tired of being thought of as a baby, but hey, time flies.
I’m 32 and if I say “hey mama” she replies with “hey baby” every single time and it is honestly my absolute favorite thing.
Im a 37 year old tattooed and bearded construction dude...i get the same response from my mum, it makes me happy and I will always call my daughter bubba too
same here. my parents call each other "mommy" and "daddy" . but im sure that's just the result of them having kids around.
with that being said, "mother" is certainly a different level and that creeps me out.
My cousin's little kid calls her mother. That and other things make me think she's raising a future serial killer.
I call my wife “Mommy” but she birthed my 4 children and that’s what they call her. Plus she’s Puerto Rican and people don’t know I’m not saying “Mami.”
This is how we do it down in Puerto Rico.
My wife literally shouts that line every time she hears that song.
Also very common in East Asia. In Chinese it's technically "mother/father of the children", but that's a bit of a mouthful so it gets shortened to whatever variation of mother and father each family uses.
This is pretty common with some groups in Australia as well. A lot of older truckies and labourers refer to their children's mother as Mummy. Not as common with younger blokes.
I call my wife mom as well. Both our children do and 99% of the time when I'm referring to her it's to our children or we are out and about with the kid's "Mom did you say Sophia could buy that chocolate?". May as well Just Crack on
Mother isn't going to like this
You'll notice that she wasn't present. Pence's sister was there instead.
This was bothering me for a while. I was wondering when did she start to look like that.
Then i realized I had very, very little context for how his wife looked besides her appearance at the RNC way back and the inauguration.
I consider myself pretty interested in politics, but I honestly have no idea what Mike Pence's wife looks like. My only information on her is that Mike call's her "mother" and she otherwise has no impact on the world.
wait is this for real? He calls his wife "mother" or is this a Norman Bates joke or something. I've never paid much attention to the spouses of our politicans.
Not a joke.
That nasty motherfucker.
TBF...(and I don't like that guy nor american politics at all), it might be a reference to the mother of his children? My grandfather used to call my grandmother 'grandma' in an endearing way.
Was this deliberate to avoid putting the SO of the Irish PM on the same level as a wife or am I overthinking a coincidence?
I assumed it was because either she didn't want to be around homosexuals, or because pence didn't want her around homosexuals.
Your theory makes a lot of sense too though.
(To be fair, she could have just been busy or something.)
The report I read is that she is at the Special Olympics in Abu Dhabi. I hate these assholes as much as anyone, but if that’s the case, we can’t claim bigotry. I personally would have loved to see her forced to attend.
Umm did he have permission to be around her???
Good point. He might fuck her.
Wow mike with another woman that is not his wife. What a scandal. He must be having sex with her.
Mother is desperately trying to keep it together
Ok I'm clearly way out of the loop but why is Pence's wife called Mother?
Because he calls her that.
Apparently it's not entirely uncommmon in some areas/cultures to refer to your wife as "mother" once they've had kids. I personally think it's weird
Well my mum would say ‘Dad’ when she was talking about him, she still calls him that if she is talking to us and mentions him. But I’m pretty sure when we aren’t around she calls him by his name. I think my dad occasionally calls her mother, but again, when we are around he calls her by a nickname other times. But it feels cute when he says it, and it’s a home word. Not a speaking in public word.
Yup. If I’m talking to my kids or dog, I refer to my husband “Dad.” But never to anyone else, and definitely not when we are alone together. It’s the same for him. I even have separate endearments for kids and husband, like the two don’t cross even though they’re innocuous - kids are sweet pea, darling or sweetheart, husband is dearest or honey or babe. Again, no news crew or staff would ever hear that though. It’s freaking creepy for him to refer to her in any public manner as Mother.
I just had the pleasure of explaining to my 60 yo mom who Mother is.
She thinks that's really fucking weird and thinks the Irish throw the best shade.
Mother will they tear your little boy apart
Oooooooooooooooo Aaahh Is it just a waste of time
He's going to get an extra hour of self-flagellation for impure thoughts.
Not US. Who's mother?
Pence shakes hands
"This is my boyfriend." Says the PM
Boyfriend leans in, still shaking Pence's hand and whispers "You've got the gay now."
They so pale.
You're on air!
...TODAY'S SNOW IS CRIPPLING MUCH OF THE WASHINGTON LOWLAND-
We don't get a fierce amount of sun, god bless us.
We do however get permanent grey and 3 season changes on a daily basis, so there's that I guess.
Hats off to Ireland for progressing leaps and bounds in a single generation. It went from a strict Catholic nation to the one that legalized abortion and elected a mixed-race gay man as its Taoiseach. Well done, indeed.
Edit: Yes, Ireland has a parliamentary system and he wasn't directly elected as the PM. However, he still was elected by the people as a Teachta Dala (MP) and the ruling party selected him as their leader. Progress, nonetheless.
What's his other race? Also which one is he?
Leo's on the left. His dad is Asian (Indian) and his mum is Irish.
He's got a Vince Vaughn meets Russell Peters vibe going on.
That's the first time I've ever heard Leo described as "on the left"
This picture is literally incredible.
you might have to thank the kiddy abusing priests.
my cousin from ireland says that really killed the church for all the young generation.
You’re forgetting the psycho dead baby nuns like at Tuam. The Orphanage fire where the nuns wouldn’t let there be an effort to rescue them for fear of seeing them indecent.
There’s a whole lot of shit the Catholic Church did to get my generation away.
Also there’s always been a fierce atheism streak in us, we just wouldn’t always let our families know.
Yep, the Magdalene laundries and the continuous new horrifying things we learn about them strongly contributed to a huge push away from the church. And good riddance
Literal hundreds of dead babies dumped in a sewer by the nuns
Seriously, Google "Tuam babies". Then look up "Magdalene Laundries". They were essentially Catholic run concentratation camps. They were still up and running as recently as the mid 90s. When Mrs Doubtfire came out in cinemas, Magdalene Laundries still existed.
Hasa diga eebowai!
Is that pronounced Tey or something?
It also translates to "Chieftain". I really wish people would refer to our leaders as Chieftains in English instead of Prime Ministers. Would be a lot cooler. "Chieftain of Ireland brought his boyfriend to meet Mike Pence".
It's more like tea shuck
Yeah it really depends on where in the country you’re from and what Irish dialect you use. I pronounce it as “Tea Shock”, but I also know a lot of people that pronounce it as “Prick”, especially when Brian Cowan held the title!
I used to work in geriatrics in an Irish hospital at the height of the GFC, and we would commonly have to administer a questionnaire called the MMSE to screen for dementia. One of the questions was “Who is the Taoiseach?”, which often elicited some rather disgusted looks. One of my colleagues told me that someone answered “Oh, that fat f*cker from Offaly!” She decided that was close enough and gave them the point for that one!
Taoiseach his own.
We the people didn't nessacary vote for him ourselves, but we've progressed so far that we don't have the need to spout out articles saying "look our PM is gay and foreign". We find it quite condensending when we praise someone for a different identity because even though it's positive reinforcement, it doesn't seem to treat it like it's being normalised to be gay.
It's cool that we have a gay, mixed-race leader, but unfortunately he's an absolute prick.
I'd like to add, no one here seems to care he is gay or mixed race, which I think is great. Like most politicians, some people like and some hate him for political reasons.
It's heartwarming that we hate equally. 🙂
Lad, when was the last time we had a leader who wasn't a complete gobshite or the rich mans lap dog? Kenny had decent intentions but was absolutely harmless, Cowen was an eejit, His Royal Highness Sir Bertie was that whole saga.... Our political parties don't tend to elect the best leaders.
Tell us more please.
As others have said, we currently have a housing crisis and young people are finding it extremely hard to save for a down-payment on a house of their own while paying extortionate rent prices.
Leo basically said that we should just borrow the money from our parents and stop complaining, forgetting that a great deal of us haven't that luxury like he had.
Thank you. That's unfortunate to hear. I feel kinda similar over here in the states concerning being unable to afford purchasing a house, but I think we have enough other issues that it falls by the wayside. That and the abundance of loan and finance offers often make it seem like we can afford more than we really can.
Mainly, I would say that he and his party only serve the rich. Through a housing and health crisis they're absolutely useless but love to congratulate themselves on a job well done.
Personally, Varadkar is extremely childish and insulting when confronted.
Interesting. Thank you for the information. Sorry to hear you have a childish person in a position of power. Seems to be a theme lately.
He's definitely not as bad as Trump, or as useless as May. A lot of people here have the attitude "He's a bit of a bollocks, but sure it could be worse"
That seems a fair assement, but I would say that those comparisons make it easy to dismiss a leaders shortcomings, and perhaps it would be better to judge them by your countries goals of a leader, rather than by the faults of someone else's leadership. Does that make sense?
Presidential candidate Mayor Pete Buttigieg (who worked in Indiana w/ Pence) was talking about how surreal it was to have a polite interaction with someone who you know opposes your core being.
Looks like Mike Pence doesn’t care.
He really doesn't seem to, but everyone in this thread wants to believe he somehow got duped by being in the presence of gay dudes and is super upset about it.
It's amazing the effect wording can have. Pence INVITED Varadkar and his partner. OP's title makes it sound like the partner showed up unannounced.
No he brought his boyfriend with him to the whole thing. Mike pence just happened to be there so they, as two diplomats took a photo together
Well, Varadkar did go to specifically meet Mike Pence (it was on the radio last week), so Pence didn't really just happen to be there. I don't think he was trying to make any big statement though bringing the bf with him.
Doesn’t look like anyone cares
I hope someone made a James Fitzpatrick, Patrick Fitzjames joke to see how Pence would react
This is insanely misleading. Trying to act like this is a “gotcha” moment. Pence invited the both of them with open arms. Do an ounce of research.
Source: Varadkar’s Twitter