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That is an absurd amount of trash...
That’s because a team of hundreds of volunteers led by Shah spent nearly two years picking up 11,684,500 pounds of trash, clearing upstream rivers, putting systems in place to prevent future trash from accumulating, and teaching locals about sustainable waste management.
We underestimate the amount of trash we produce daily. A strike of 3 weeks can render a major city uninhabitable.
In the Netherlands, 9 million tons of trash is produced yearly by consumers. That's a country with 17 million inhabitants.
That is wild. I looked up a few more countries just to see... These numbers (from 2006) are HUGE
Japan's recycling and composting is nuts though. I suppose it has to be, given the number of people in such a small space, but it's really impressive nevertheless.
Less than half of the population of America, and less than a quarter of the waste. That's pretty crazy. I'd like to see a comparison of the two countries' waste management facilities. I bet Japan's is crazy.
Less than half of the population of America, and less than a quarter of the waste
in 1/26 the amount of land
Half the US population packed into 377,973 km2. The state of Montana has 380,000ish km2 with more usable land.
Think that's crazy? Bangladesh has 40 million more people than Japan. And Japan is 3 times larger
But Bangladesh is absolute shithole
And the whole country is like 5 -10 m above sea level at best. Scary to think what 100 mil of the worlds poorest will do when they whole place is underwater
I wonder why
And great birth control grass roots type programs. Average no. of children is now 2.something.
Edit: world bank has 2.10 births per woman (2016).
Is that also factoring in the usable land-space, given how much of Japan is taken up by mountain ranges?
Nope. The number gets even smaller.
That can actually be an advantage for the effectiveness of recycling. In the US the environmental impact of recycling is drastically reduced because of how big our land mass is. The environmental costs of transportation alone makes recycling some materials a net loss on the environment.
Crazy as in.. crazy efficient and highly desirable?
Both. I'd also sometimes say dope.
You can tell because of the way that it is
"That girl is crazy... crazy efficient!"
Japan has recycling everywhere. Instead of just a trash bin in restaurants, they had a bin for food waste, a bin for cans, a bin for plastic, and I believe a bin for biodegradable materials (Which all their takeout food containers seemed to be). It took me a while to figure out where to put everything, but once you got the hang of it, it maybe took an extra 10 seconds to clean up after your meals. Not a big deal at all.
I was aware that Japan was big on the whole multi-stream waste management thing, but not the full extent of it. To get a real sense of it, trash collection is typically broken up into the following nine categories:
Trash has to be put out in clear plastic bags, and putting out the wrong thing on the wrong day, or mixing items from different categories, means that instead of collecting your trash, they put the Red Sticker of Shame on the bag to tell you to do better next time.
As someone who has spent half a year living in Japan, there's one really critical difference that really gets overlooked a lot by westerners: Nearly everyone cares about following the system there. In Canada and the US, there's a massive 'I don't really give a shit, I'm lazy' attitude. Almost every building complex has at least a few residents who chuck plastic bags of garbage in any recycling or compost bin they want, and don't give a shit. Who dump batteries in the paper recycling. In coffee shops people throw their plastic cups into the first bin that's convenient, even when they're clearly marked. This is extremely commonplace, and infuriating for people who care about waste management. In Japan, I practically never saw it happening, which means recyclables don't have to get thrown away because they're mixed up with other shit, and it makes recycling less expensive.
Not to discount the cultural difference, because that probably is the biggest factor, but I'm sure Americans and Canadians would be much more willing to sort their trash if the alternative was having to hold onto it until the next collection day. (Unfortunately, we'd probably also see an increase in illegal dumping 😒)
You'd say that, and yet what happened where I currently live (Ireland) is that my neighbor just chucks their shit in my trash cans (each apt has their own wheely bins that we put out weekly depending on the week cycle) and then it's up to me to deal with it.
I've had it happen multiple times and it's crazy, I had to put locks on the gazebo door that holds my bins otherwise they would get in just to dump their stuff, and then on the next morning after collection day (where we HAVE to bring our bins out) I find it already full of their crap because they literally camp the street and dump their shit right after the collection happens.
I've had to pay fines and "extra weight collections" on my stuff because of them. Talked to my landlord and even caught them red handed multiple times but it's just a "oh I'm sorry I didn't know I was not allowed to do this!" And then it stops for a couple of weeks and begins again.
Okay sorry for the rant but I'm just pissed off, luckily I'm moving the fuck away (to Japan, coincidentally) in a few months...
There are more recycling options than that.
You will get in trouble if you don't separate correctly. Trust me they will find you and by they, your neighbors.
If you have less options than the list above. It will go to a sorting facility.
Russia's going the other direction - 140 million people, more waste per capita than the US.
Japan has a lower recycling rate than the US does. Most waste is incinerated.
“According to 2014 data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the municipal recycling rate for Japan was only 21 percent, below top-ranked Germany at 48 percent, Sweden at 33 percent and the United States at 26 percent.”
Which is amazing given japan’s love for packaging fucking everything
On the other hand, the amount of packaging in Japan is also crazy.
The thing is, japan could probably do even better if they cut back on their obsession with over packaging things.
You don’t like individually plastic wrapped mini goldfish crackers?
A mini-bar is a machine that makes everything expensive. When I take something out of the mini-bar, I always fathom that I'll go and replace it before they check it off and charge me, but they make that stuff impossible to replace. I go to the store and ask, "Do you have coke in a glass harmonica? Do you have individually wrapped cashews?"
We do the same shit in Canada with packaging. Once you become aware of it, it's maddening. But don't worry, we're banning straws, and someday we'll ban plastic shopping bags, so it's all okay, right?
Damn I never thought of that but necessity breeds ingenuity.
Necessity breeds change. Ingenuity is just the best outcome, but far from the only one.
Whatever you do, don't go to Phoenix AZ.
Idk why that’s relevant but good advice nonetheless.
I’ll bite, why not?
Antithesis of necessity breeds ingenuity.
Sprawl for miles and miles. Strip and beige walls everywhere. An inefficient use of the desert because it's "cheap".
Summer is like standing on the sun. The city shouldn't exist. It's a monument to man's arrogance.
It's pretty hit and miss actually. It's true some small towns have completely "banned" trash. But other larger cities have some of the worst waste management practices. While litter is super rare as people are taught to pick up after themselves and recycle which is great but what happens to the trash isn't so great but they are improving.
I remember when I was there I had a bottle and threw it in the recycling there was an old lady watching me then nod approvingly when I did.
To portray things more accurately we should account for population:
Tons per person in 2006:
US - .791
RU - 1.41 (using year 2000 population, per Forbes article)
Japan - .409
Also I'm a little surprised to not see China on that list. They're the most populous country and they're not in the top 10? I know that most of the ocean pollution comes from China, maybe they just don't track it?
China is shit at collecting stats and even when they do, they are a work of fiction. What rate does the Chinese economy grow? Who knows?
Same with Japanese crime and criminal investigation stats.
"We have almost no murder and 100% of our very few murders are solved instantaneously."
My favorite show there is "Suicide she wrote"
Same with their infant mortality rates. "Well he never had a chance anyway" os enough reason to disqualify a newborn from being counted in the stats.
Wtf is the average Russian doing
I wouldn't be surprised if there are few reliable data about China. Lots of 'western' waste ends up there, and part of it happens via grey or illegal ways.
I work in the waste collection in recycling industry designing compactors and other equipment. I asked myself 7 years when I started how is thinks industry not saturated with equipment? Why are people still ordering this stuff is there not enough out there already? The answer is plainly no. It's insane how much demand there is.
I was interested in seeing per capita numbers, and something recent to compare. The US is still a big trash producer, but have improved in recent years. This also has a link to a spreadsheet with per capita list.
Once we have depleted all of our natural resources we can begin to mine the land fills..
trash is just us making fossil fuels for future generations
90% of all the coal in the world is from a time millions of years ago when trees had developed cellulose and lingin, but there wasn't any bacteria or fungus that could break it down. The dead wood just got stacked up and turned into peat and eventually coal.
Trash in a landfill is in anaerobic conditions and doesn't deteriorate very much. A relatively small amount of methane is produced but it will never turn into oil or coal.
Everyday I am disgusted more and more by myself about the sheer amount of trash I am producing. I really have to pull my shit together and use more and more my backpack, drink less plastic cup coffee and so on. But it’s ridicolous how much trash I produce in general
The population of Mumbai is more than that. And you begin to see the impossible challenges China and India are presented.
thats like 3 lbs of trash per day per person... that's nuts.
My wife and I combined probably don't even make 1lb of trash per day... Where does it all come from...
I dont think its just trash from households, most businesses and corporations have to dump their trash too.
Exactly this I think. I used to work for a major grocery chain, and the amount of trash we had on the daily was insane.
I believe the figures I produced include the indirect waste from household products, like the stocking of the supermarket shelves etc., but not industrial waste.
I work in a hospital, you would have an absolute cow if you saw how much trash we generate.
I think people know hospitals make innordinate amounts of waste - because virtually everything is one use disposable.
Back when saline drips came in glass reusable bottles, and syringes were refillable glass with reusable needles - waste was much lower. But while the autoclave is pretty good, its just not good enough and some stuff slips through - so everything was switched to one use.
The real mind blowing bit is the amount of plastic used to package every single item in supermarkets. Just so you can put it back in your cart and move to your car.
Why not bring your own bag or pay for it?
The other day the woman behind me at the supermarket had, among her purchases, a single banana in a plastic bag, and the plasic bag was carefully wrapped so that the banana couldn't slip out. I was teying so hard o find a way to take a picture to show everyone I know how insane people can be, but it just was not possible to do it discreetly.
BANANAS COME IN THEIR OWN BAGS. THE ARE YELLOW AND ALSO CLING TIGHTLY TO THE FRUIT.
I bring my own cloth produce bags to the store and got serious shade from the cashier at Trader Joe's last time. They have such a bad reputation for packaging everything possible in plastic. LET ME LIVE.
Let's not forget the waste produced in manufacturing the items you use
Have you paid attention to your trash? A lot of people don’t and when you don’t pay attention to your waste output it’s really easy to create a lot of waste.
We are all on a journey to be better about it but there are so many people who don’t realize what they’re doing.
Would guess a large portion is industrial waste.
Are you thinking of your at home taking out the trash?
There are plenty of people who don't throw much away at home that then go to starbucks and throw that cup away, along with their wrapper for their breakfast sandwich. Get lunch delivered from their favorite nearby place, throw all that leftovers and trash away.
Getting new clothes? Did you donate your old clothes or did you throw them away? What about when everyone throws a Christmas tree away annually? Or a handful of pumpkins? Or all the Christmas wrapping? All these things add up.
The estimates are between 4-7 lbs per person per day in the US.
A strike of 3 weeks can render a major city uninhabitable.
Do waste managers (aka: trash collectors) know this? 'Cause I hope they're paid and treated properly. I don't kbow about y'all, but I'm not interested in driving my trash to a dump. Imagine the air and traffic pollution.Then again, people with trucks could profit from their neighbors' laziness/busy-ness and environmental concerns.
'Cause I hope they're paid and treated properly
That's literally what a strike is all about.
That's part of why garbage men are typically well compensated. The best way to prevent unionization or a strike is to provide good pay/benefits.
teaching locals about sustainable waste management
Man, as much as I love #trashtag, this is how you make a difference in the long term.
Absolutely. But without things like #trashtag, it's hard for people to see that far ahead. You clean up the trash now and people go "holy shit, there's a beautiful piece of land there!" And now they're interested in how to keep it that way.
It's far too easy to not care about the distant future when all you see is trash. But when you realize what's hiding under all that trash, a long-term plan is much easier to sell.
Oh yeah, I'm not ragging on #trashtag at all, but it's important to remember that we can work to keep these areas clean, too.
"[The waste] was 5.5 feet high,” Shah told CNN at the time. “A man could drown in the plastic.”
Could you imagine sinking into a pit of garbage and drowning? It's like a trash-quicksand scenario.
The fact that this happened in India makes this even more incredible. Waste management is completely nonexistent there. There are trucks that pick up trash, but from what I’ve seen they are moving it into massive, miles-long piles along the streets in less affluent parts of town. If they were really able to change things so drastically in Mumbai, I’m amazed.
That's almost 6 tons of trash.
Edit: almost 6,000 tons of trash.
Uh, you're missing a few tons there. It's about 5300 tons.
Like many turtles the Olive Ridley turtles like to eat jellyfish and recent declines in turtle numbers have led to a dramatic increase in jellyfish numbers as they currently have fewer predators - https://youtu.be/mGhP6FxELmo
The dude is a little strange in his delivery but the info is good, thanks for sharing
it's like mom & dad are in the adjacent room and hate it when he's recording youtube videos at 3am.
Ocean acidity due to carbonization a bigger cause for number of jellies
In 20 years most of the oceanic life is going to be nothing but jellyfish.
Sad situation overall
TIL there is a "Champion of Earth" award that doesn't involve mortal combat of some kind.
TEST YOUR MIGHT!
TEST YOUR MIGHT!
If that's going to be stuck in my head all day, you guys are all suffering with me.
I clicked it, 10 minutes in, still head-bobbing. No ragrets.
Queen had a song about a similar premise.
"Champion of Earth Realm"
How did they know to come back after so many years? I know some turtles prefer to nest in the same beaches from which they were born. Are these turtles who have been trying and failing to return to their home beach for decades, only to show up again one year and finally find their passage free? Can you imagine the drama of coming home every year for twenty years and finding it a ruin, but never giving up regardless, only to one day have your deepest instinct come to fruition?
Turtles are old, the beach has only been out of service for 20 years. Im sure some 60 year old turtle or two was like "noice! My favorite beach is open again"
Or was it more like "Wow, I can finally actually lay eggs again?" Have these selfsame turtles been able to find other accommodations in the interim? Or had they just been flouted for two decades?
what I know about Canadian turtles is that they will always spawn in the same location - the one they were born from. we had roads built through conservation areas and the turtles started laying eggs in the gravel shoulder. then some grading equipment came through and destroyed the nests. it is devastating. it haplens every year. the municipality refuses to close the road during spawn season.
I want to downvote them
God dammit. If you have a local Audubon society or similar, tell them about this. They’ll not only put up a huge fuss, but they’ll recruit volunteers for egg relocation. Source: I did this
I have no idea. Honestly, and I feel like a lot isn't known about some breeds of turtles. So maybe no one knows.
This group cleaned more than just the visible trash. They set up long term plans to help alleviate future damage. This probably had massive impacts of the quality of water in the area. Healthier waters mean more fish and variety of species. This is a food source for the turtles and the reduction in plastic (something that isn't food but looks like it) only further encouraged them to come back to this location.
Tens of thousands of years before humans, these animals migrated to the same nesting spots. Suffice to say it's instinctual, embedded generationally.
Did they fail to reproduce for those twenty years, or do they have it in them to find a backup spot to nest?
They probably nested in the trash but no one knew since there was so much trash.
It would be depressing if there were hundreds of dead baby turtles under all the trash.
My understand is that they haven’t been seen on this beach in 20. Could be too much trash to see them or too much trash for them to get on the beach. Either way it is now better.
I'm not positive for ridley turtles, however there are turtles that can use the earth's magnetic field to navigate relatively accurately.
I am very proud to say that I was a part of the volunteer team which did this, our leader afroz shah got the United Nations champion of the earth award
I'm glad to hear from someone who was a part of this. Way to go.
Perhaps the turtles were there all along. You just couldn’t see them in those piles of trash
I'm trying to imagine the turtles swimming up to shore, checking out the trash and being like "Nah, I'm good" and moving along. I felt the same way the first time I drove through Myrtle Beach.
"Nah, I'm good" and moving along.
With a beer casing wrapped around it's neck.
The article mentions how eggs were always laid there but the bb turtles just couldn't get over the mounds of trash
No turtles but there were zoologist though looking for turtles in the pile of trash.
The real turtles were the friends we made cleaning up trasg
You know at least one of the volunteers is looking at all the eggs and complaining "Oh come on, we just cleaned that whole beach, now there's eggs everywhere".
Never change Reyansh, never change
Reyansh can fuck right off. I hated him already when he did the thing and now this.
Come on guys they still helped clean up trash, cut Reyansh some slack.
I’m r/outoftheloop . Can someone please explain who Reuansh is and what he did?
Just a random Indian name, its just a joke.
If done very carefully, this can bring experts & a learning centre & tourist money.
Cleaning up our environment is in the interest if everything.
If done very carefully, this can bring experts & a learning centre & tourist money.
Or maybe, just maybe, let's not try to attract tourists to nesting sites for turtles? Tourists are notorious for damaging that shit, breaking eggs, getting selfies with turtles, and ruining things.
They said 'if done very carefully' in there.
Perhaps we are all tourists on this crazy ball-spaceship. If so, we all aught to: learn a (quite a) bit, create an 'expert centre' and walk a little more humbly-gently.
The article is almost a year old, just wanted to point out that the Versova Beach clean-up was a big deal here in Mumbai and was of course long before #trashtag.
I have an uncle that lives in Andheri where Versova beach is, across the street from the main public access point to the beach. I've visited him and my other relatives in India numerous times over the years. It's pretty cool to live across the street from the ocean. Your natural inclination is to go walk on the beach. But it was disgusting and sad. Especially when I was there while my daughter was young. She wanted to play in the sand, frolic in the water.
Really, really happy to see it has been cleaned up. I just really hope it stays that way.
Yup my wife is from Andheri. I’m from the US but I’ve visited her parents who still live there a few times and I couldn’t believe how they destroyed the beaches are there and in all of Mumbai. I mean it’s a tropical climate on the ocean and yet you can’t even enjoy the beaches! It’s insanity. At least Goa has some nice clean beaches...
I just really hope it stays that way.
There is an actual permanent team now that is in charge of cleanup duty. At least, that's what I last heard of it.
Turtling always works.
That's surprising. I wonder if they found it by chance clean or kept checking on it. It's amazing they came back after 20 years after probably going to a different place for that long. I say that's some good turtle recon skills.
They might not have gone to a different place they might just be 20year old turtles that finally can lay eggs on their beach again. From my understanding the turtles would always come back to the beach they were born but I assume they couldn't nest so they just went back and forth without laying eggs.
who knew that living in harmony with nature works?!
The native Americans. <tear slowly flows down cheek>
a turtle made it to the water!
I know this is a drop in the bucket to the amount of clean up we have to do in our environment but it is very important to celebrate small victories. This is a awesome small bacon of hope.
Mmmm bacon of hope
BEST...VIRAL...CHALLENGE...EVER!! Finally a non-BS challenge that actually has a tangible positive effect.
Top comment said this was done by hundreds of volunteers and took over 2 years. It wasn’t just spurred up by the recent stuff.
Sure...but the change photos clearly motivated others to do the same.
Volunteers in India also planted 66 million trees in a 12 hour period.
Man, the people of India are really working hard to help their enviornment the last 5 years. I'm very proud of them.
The ice bucket challenge generated a ton of money for ALS research that made some relevant discoveries (iirc)
I see this thread of comments in every post about trash cleanup:
"Finally a challenge that does some good"
"Ice bucket challenge raised enough to research a successful treatment for ALS."
And it did and that's /wonderful/, but I have to wonder if it wouldn't be more productive to just let people be hype about this new trend. ALS affects fewer than 20k people in the United States a year. Trash affects all of us, and much more than just humanity.
Assuming this challenge is as successful as the ice bucket challenge was, the utilitarian benefit of this would far outweigh nearly anything else we could do for ourselves or the planet.
Pointing out the success of the ALS campaign doesn't take away anything from TrashTag, if anything it'd give people more hope knowing that stupid social media campaigns aren't stupid, sometimes.
And the guy who who led all this effort was harassed by bureaucratic apathy, goons and vested interests.
This is incredible, what wonderful and dedicated people. To see their hard work pay off like that must have been such a touching experience. I really hope beach goers are able to continue to keep the shores clean!
We all seem to be referencing it, but there's only one other person that has tagged it here, so I'll post it: ' #trashtag ' is the viral tag going around that challenges people to clean up the pollution around them and post the results to social media. It's one of the best campaigns going around.
I wonder If there’s a turtle that’s thinking “do you have any idea how long I spent putting that trash there?!”
I like the idea of sending trash to the sun
"When you change yourself, you change the world" we should start acting instead of complaining like little bitches
It's as if animals want a safe place for their babies or something
TIL that turtles can smell pollution in the water, and will activlty aviod polluted areas