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The 1.8tsi is underrated powerwise by VW. It also feels faster than your Focus because it has way more torque, plus it has a much fatter powerband because of the turbo.
APR (a company that makes ECU tunes for our engines, not sure if you've heard of them) does some pretty extensive testing for power output both at stock and with their tunes. From their chart you can see the 170hp (as reported by VW ) but using 93 octane gas on the stock tune they were able to get 191hp and 203 lbft of torque, so it wouldn't be surprising of you do get a little more than 170 even with only 91 octane gas.
Sweet, the answer I was looking for... let me ask you something, is a stage 1 tune worth it in your opinion? Any downsides? Also, how much did you end up paying for the tune all in all?
I think stage 1 is worth it. The biggest downside is that it voids your powertrain warranty with VW, so that if anything happens to your engine/turbo etc you're on the hook. It wasn't available when I got my tune, but now APR offers APR+ which is basically their stage 1 tune toned down a tiny bit and it costs more, but they step in and take over for the powertrain warranty and will fix anything that goes wrong. Stage 1 was $600 plus an hour of labor from the installing shop. I believe APR plus is about $1,100, so an extra 500 for keeping your warranty in tact... I'd say thats a good deal. Also $600 for 50+ hp is the best value mod for dollar per horsepower you can do.
Cool thanks for the info
It doesn’t void any warranties. That would be illegal. I would never suggest stage 1. Stage 2 is a much better bang for your buck. Horsepower isn’t really a measurement of speed either which is why you’re surprised about how it accelerates. Too many factors and horsepower isn’t one of them.
He's right. Best the net says, if vw finds the stock tune altered during a drivetrain warranty claim they flag the car modified and you pound sand.
Same difference in reality but a point is a point I guess.
It definitely does void your factory powertrain warranty, Why do you think APR offers a special package that costs more that replaces the factory warranty??
And stage 2 is barely even more performance for so much more investment like an upgraded downpipe and installation, along with your car potentially not passing state emission testing anymore. I know stage 2 for sure would not pass smog in CA. Stage 1 is easily the best performance for the money. How can you say horsepower isn't a factor in acceleration?? There is no way you can be serious about all this...
Magnuson-Moss warranty act of 1975. Do your research before telling somebody they are wrong. Stage 1 is 550 dollar tune from lets say GIAC. My downpipe was 300 dollars. Stage 2 tune is also 550 dollars. That’s only 850. Stage 1 gli does a high 13s. A stage 2 gli has done a 12.5. You’re completely and hilariously limited by a stage 1. Horsepower is a theoretical number based off a constant of torque you get with a simple mathematical formula. Theoretical thus everything is based off torque. Horsepower sells cars. Torque wins races.
MMWA does not cover an ECU tune.
It actually does. “But what does this have to do with engine computer unit tuning? The protections of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act mean that a warranty cannot be declared invalid just because you install aftermarket modifications, and that includes performance chips. Since performance chips or engine tuning add-ons leave the original components intact, the warranty is still valid.” Plenty of sources out there to valid that claims. It’s very easy to do your research before posting.
MMWA does not prevent VW from finding that your tune was the source of tune related powertrain failure.
If your tune causes the issue, then that’s absolutely on you. I’ve never personally seen any stage 1 or 2 vehicles cause any type of failures. My ‘12 CC was tuned in 2013 and I haven’t had tuning related issues since. You generally have nothing to worry about tuning your vehicle unless you’re going with a custom setup that’s uncertain. Going with APR, GIAC, IE and etc, you should have zero worries.
Price to performance it's the best option. I've heard you also get better gas mileage than stock with the APR tune as long as you drive sanely. Downsides are possible clutch slippage, even with the auto transmission, along with putting your 6 year warranty in danger since it will show up as a flash when VW scans it during any service. APR+ tune (only the +) comes with a warranty to match the factory powertrain though. I got quoted $700 for APR stage 1 and $1,200 for APR+. Went with a JB1 plug in tuner for $400 instead so I can take it out in case of a warranty issue.
Test drive the GLI if you haven't already.