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12 too low

Also sides totally misaligned. It's very infuriating

It's all misaligned. How do you even take the effort to do something like this but don't take the time to measure and mark it out beforehand.

Man I thought this was pretty cool until I came to the comments

Now it's a garbage fire.

And I thought I came here to get away from my life

http://imgur.com/gallery/493Q7eo FTFY Also I made a other change

Magazine?

Finally you win the Gold. Take the ghetto gold 🏅

I hate you

Dumpster fire.

Yes! to all of you. I was so fascinated by this for 0.0003 seconds until I saw all the shitty flaws.

Serious question: does this pattern for their number markings increase in this way? Is writing 1 000 000 in words the way I'm hoping it is?

The Mayan system is actually in base 20. So these numbers in the clock are really just single digits and past twenty you would start to get double digit numbers as you can see here.

Edit: So for your question about 1 million, you can split that into 6x20^{4} + 5×20^{3}. So the digits would be 65000, or in Mayan numerals, a line and dot, a line, then three 'shells' which represent zero.

It's a Mayan clock dude, do you think they had straight edges levels back in their day? /s

Mayan geometry was based on ropes and knots, and they were perfectly capable of laying out a circle on a wall with 12 equally spaced points on the circumference, two opposite points lying on a vertical line.

How does one even know this? Blows my mind how detailed people comment on the most obscure things. One of the great things about reddit.

Behold the power of concentrated autism.

The last peg of 4 is a crime against aesthetics.

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For 9 they just plain ran out of space, it’s in the same vertical line as 8 and 10...

are you kidding, most of the shit is misaligned. that's honestly one of the least misaligned ones.

I'm 90% sure they glue-gunned that shit onto the wall by eye.

Person probably thought, "I don't need to trace it. I know how big Mayan numbers should be!"

The entire thing is off. Whoever installed it just stood there and nailed or screwed shit in to throw it up in a rush.

Yeah, it looks like they didn't measure the correct distance for the center, then went around it clockwise, got to the left door frame and went "Shit.. Well fuck it I guess" and just jammed the rest in.

...Um.... Isn’t this how DIY is supposed to work?

I think you mean **•• low**.

•••• fucks sake

Fixed, but now I noticed that the "11" is a little off too... https://imgur.com/a/aJiiXUS

1 - 5 are also higher than 7 - 11.

This is actually the part that makes it a problem. If 12 is too low it looks bad, but doesn't affect function. If any of the numbers are placed wrong along the arc of the circle, the it fucks the function of the clock.

7,8,9 are bunched up in a way that would make you late in the mornings

I'm disturbed now thanks

Came here to say all this. I see something else wrong every time I look. Rage.

That's not 12, that's Cookie Monster.

Sentence missing “is”

Bang ding ow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals in case you were wondering how larger numbers are written (*For example, thirty-three would be written as one dot, above three dots atop two bars. The first dot represents "one twenty" or "1×20", which is added to three dots and two bars, or thirteen*)

what the actual fuck? they look like they count in base 5 but suddenly its base 20?

We do this with dozens sometimes. We also had the concept of "score" at some point which was a 20 base system. French also does a mixture of this.

The French, and more especially the Danes, love to fuck with numbers! :)

Yeah what the fuck. Ninety in French is “quatre-vignt-dix.” 4 * 20 + 10, not janky at all

IKR? Check out Danish for even crazier combinations. Odd counting and fractions.

It’s 3am over here and that gave me a headache reading it

There have been some conceptual dozenal number systems, they're supposed to be more efficient than decimal ones. IIRC ancient Sumerians(? or maybe one of those other ancient groups of people) counted in dozens. They used their thumb to count out each knuckle on their dominant hand, and then used their non dominant fingers as a placeholder(so everytime you got to twelve, you would raise one finger on the non dominant hand and start over with the dominant hand). By doing this you can actually count to 60 on just your hands. I find myself using it quite often.

Base 2 is even better for hand counting. I can count to 31 on just one hand, 1023 on two hands

a dozen is a word that describes a certain amount. much like a bushel.

having these sorts of standardized units helps people sell commodities but it does not change our base counting system because a dozen is still 12 ** in base 10**.

score isn't a different base. its still 20 in base 10 lmao.

... I'm not sure you understand how numbers and bases work.

Fun fact, the counting system is base 20 but on calendars it's base 20 except for sometimes where it's base 18

Edit: This concept makes little sense when compared to the modern day decimal system, so I figured I'd add an edit from my source which explains it better than I can:

From *Mathematics in a Sample of Cultures* by Ximena Catepillan and Waclaw Symanski:

The Maya used Long Count dates to mark events, which occured over long periods of time. The shortest period was a

kin, which is a day for us, and 20kinswas auinal. atunconsisted of 18uinals... and akatunhad 20tuns...In summary:

1 uinal = 20 kins

1 tun = 18 uinals = 360 kin

1 katun = 20 tun = 7,200 kins

“Base” is positional. So our numerals have Base 10 so there is a tens, hundreds and thousands position in 1995. Maya is Base 20 so different symbols are used up to 19, then the position of the symbols is used after 20. So

...

...

...

Is 1263 in decimal. The top position is the 20^{2} position and ... means 3x20^{2} or 1200. The middle position is the 20^{1} position so ... is 3x20^{1} or 60 and the bottom position is the 20^{0} position so ... is 3x20^{0} or 3. Add them all together you get 1263.

This is incredibly intuitive and easy to understand, wow.

*cool* and looks so streamlined! ...at least, streamlined for small amounts (this might be pretty cumbersome once you get past 100).

Thanks! I will check this out! I am curious about how to read the bigger numbers too. I had to confirm first that it was actually Mayan numbers before posting 😁

It's basically base 20, with just ones and fives

Guatemalan money still uses it.

I just learned this at Tikal 2 weeks ago!

it's like a tally chart on crack

I've got a clock with Arabic numbers. Pretty cool!

Wow! Mine has Roman numbers. Pretty exotic, I know.

Call me traditional, but mine has American numbers.

Ah, just like the clock in the picture!

Nailed it

America has the best numbers folks, believe me.

They're yuge

Which are Arabic numbers.

They look like this: 1234567890.

Which are Arabic numbers.

They look like this: 1234567890.

Which are Arabic numbers.

Freedom numbers

Romans were great at math because X was always 10.

That would be pretty cool too. Any pics?

It's probably this model or one like it

Wow, same characters used in ~~al-jabr~~ algebra!

The standard numerical symbols we use today is based on Arabic numerals. It's a joke.

I also used to make the mistake of calling our numbers Arabic because they're basic on Arabic. But modern Arabs don't use our numbers; they use the ones that ours were based on, where 0 thru 9 looks like the following.

٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩

And weren't the arabic numerals *actually* Indian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system

It was invented between the 1st and 4th centuries by Indian mathematicians. The system was adopted in Arabic mathematics by the 9th century.

This is the numbers we had on our clock above the door in our kitchen when I grew up and was exactly what I was thinking about when I read the arabic numbers joke.

You gotta love a joke based on ignorance though. Like a double entendre except its just a little sad.

You're adorable.

Not necessarily. In Arabia they actually do use a different system to ours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals

Edit: I know /u/amccune meant it as a joke.

TIL! Ha!

Mine has a little bird in it that cuckoo's every hour. Mind blown

Mine is Indian numbers.

You anti-American son of bitch!

I never saw/learned of Mayan numbers. I like them, seems like common sense was involved. I understood them quicker than roman numerals.

I learned them and forgot and this post has made me wonder why we had to learn them

I failed my 5th grade roman numeral test, and we moved on, I never learned them (I can read the copyright at the end of a movie but don't know how to compound them, and who cares). But I specifically remember that being the first time that my teachers said "OK you'll just not know this." I was really sad for a long time, and I started applying the "screw it I can just not know it" to other schoolwork that year.

Also cursive.

I can read the copyright at the end of a movie but don't know how to compound them, and who cares

FWIW, the hard part is remember what letters signify which amounts. Then you do the larger values first, decending as you go to get the exact number you want. The exception to this is if you have a value that's essentially Big Number minus Smaller Number in which case you put that smaller category first.

M=1000, C=100, L=50, X=10, V=5, I=1 and I don't remember any others without looking them up. So if you want to express 2019, you have two "M" (which leaves 19 to count up), and then one X for ten, and then IX for 9 (1 subratacted from 10, because they're in the "wrong" order). MMXIX. If you want 40, it would be 10 subtracted from 50 (instead of 4 Xs) so XL.You can't subtract more than one value, so you could not say IIX was 8.

... its not like your teacher is the only person in the world with knowledge of these legendary numbers from Rome.

it takes like 2 seconds to explain how they work. you just add the values together so long as they go in descending order. otherwise subtract the little one from the big one that follows it.

XI you add and get 11. IX you subtract and get 9.

.... there's nothing else involved other than knowing increasingly larger letters like M and L

Me too! I had to check first to see if it was actually Mayan. But being in Yucatan I had a strong suspicion 😀

I wish I could see how big that civilization really was.

Must have been amazing. Wish we hadn't wiped them out, and just shared knowledge instead.

They were already a dying civilization by the time the spanish got to Yucatan's Penninsula. And it was mostly disease what finally wiped them. And the jungle didn't help preserving the architecture.

Not saying the spanish had nothing to do with it, it just that their roll its exagereted.

Most Mayans had already disappeared when the Spanish got here.

Roman numerals make more sense when things get bigger

The mayan system gets more confusing when things get bigger

Roman numerals are just confusing when you get larger than a few thousand though. They also take up more space for nearly all numbers.
Myans use a base-20 sort of system such that after 3 lines and 4 dots they move to another ~~column~~row which signifies 20-380.

That said, it's not perfect, but it definitely seems better than the Romans' flawed system which requires memorization and which cannot handle big numbers easily (there are 2 systems to handle bigger numbers, but they're both limited and stupid/confusing)

"okay we've been using Xs and Vs lately, now what?"

"L."

"uhh what?"

"We use L now."

"Why?"

"fuck you"

It's odd but it's a far better system than putting a higher and higher dot above the number, which gets to be a problem at something as simple as 433

The only problem with that is stacking them rather than putting them in a row. Also that's only a problem if their writing wasn't top-to-bottom or bottom-to-top as well.

In Roman numerals, it can't easily handle numbers larger than a few thousand without making the system confusing.

I understand Roman up till about IX (9) because of Star Wars

I hear it stopped running in 2012

You're referring to the Maya Long Count, which counts up from the point of creation, not down to some end date. What occurred in 2012 was the completion of a cycle of years called the b'ak'tun. Think of it as the Maya version of a millennium

So it was just their computers that stopped working?

*at 20:12

Didn't stop, just restarted

Shadow of the Tomb raider puzzles are still haunting me it seems

fuck those puzzles

Would that be considered a Base 5 counting scheme? Interesting.

It's actually a base 20 system, but we don't get to see that with the clock because we're only seeing one (decimal but for 20) place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals

I demand MORE CLOCK!

Can someone ELI5 that chart on the wiki?

Hadn't realized it until I saw this clock.

turns out its actually base 20.

Nice concept but not well executed. The pieces should've been smaller so it would fit in the area between the closed door and open one without the left side being all the way to the edge of the frame. Because of this, it doesn't look uniform in shape.

Just need to shift everything to the right a couple inches

I like the idea but it really is pretty sloppy

Solid =

All I see is Burger Face

I was thinking Cookie Monster.

Its funny to see it. While growing up in Mty Mex from 1st to 5th of Primary school they taught us basic Mayan numbers system and naming objects with correct pronunciation. I still remember my lessons. I wonder if they still do that? Sea shells means 0

Wow, wicked burn on sea shells

Isn't this just fancy tally marks

TIL what Mayan numbers look like. God I’m ignorant.

Well it's not exactly taught to everyone. I don't think there's an expectation that you know what every number system in the world looks like, especially ones from long dead societies.

TIL; How to write numbers in mayan

Oh, this is the easy and boring stuff. Makes Mayan numerals look very normal. They're pretty wild and super cool, though.

Here, they look like they just add a line for every 5. But that only works up to 19 (3 lines, 4 dots). If you want to write 20, you have to write 𝋡𝋠 (a dot and a shell-looking symbol, if your font doesn't support it. Unicode has Mayan numerals, by the way, isn't that awesome?). Just a note that I write them left to right here, but they should be written top to bottom. What's that weird shell-looking thing? That's the numeral for zero. That may not seem like much, but it's super cool, they're one of the first civilisations to have the concept of zero! And they had a numeral for it.

You effectively write "10" for 20. That's because Mayans used a base-20 number system. We Westerners use base-10, each digit represents a multiple of a power of 10. For example, 274.3 = 2*10^{2} + 7*10^{1} + 4*10^{0} + 3*10^{-1.} You may also know of base-2, also called the binary system. That's a system where each digit represents a power of 2. You probably know where this is going. And you're absolutely right. In base-20, each digit represents a multiple of a power of 20.

Base-20 is actually something you can see remnants of in Europe, too. Specifically in France. "Quatre-vingt-dix," or "four-twenty [and] ten," is the French word for 90. You won't see it much in Switzerland and Belgium, where they use "nonante" because they aren't batshit.

But back to Mayans. If you wanted to write, say, 555, you have to convert it to powers of 20. Here you have 1*20^{2} + 7*20^{1} + 15*20^{0.} Now you know what digits you need. You need a digit for one, easy, just a dot. Then you need a digit for 7, that's a line and 2 dots. And then you need a digit for 15. That's a little weird, huh? 15 is 2 digits! Again, not in base-20, each number from 0 to 19 has its own symbol. Here, it's 3 just lines. Those may seem like separate symbols at first, but they act like a single one. In the photo, each number is one symbol, despite looking like many simpler ones. It's similar to the different strokes in Chinese symbols, even when they aren't connected, like with 彡, they still form a single glyph.

So, to write 555, you write a dot, then a line and 2 dots, and then 3 lines.

It's a little confusing at first, especially when poorly explained by a sleep deprived linguistics student at 2 AM in a single comment, but you can get a hang of it. Why you'd do that, I have no idea, but then again, I try (and fail) to learn dead languages for fun. Glass stones and thrown houses and all that.

It stops at 12, that must mean the world ends between 12:00 and 13:00.

I never thought the things I learned in Nancy Drew would be relevant

I recognize this from shadow of the tomb raider

Thought it was a Braille clock for a second, and all I could think was "well, that's kinda dumb".

But, no. I'm dumb for not reading.

I love it!

It is kind of similar to Roman Numerals (at least 1,2,3 and 5)

The hamburger with eyes on top seems too low

Interestingly similar to roman numerals.

The ”loss” clock

Nice dwarf jade!

Hey,what time is it? Uh it's 2 stones

I love how 7 looks like the :| face

Also mildly infuriating because it’s not centered.

No 13th hour? What are they hiding? Do they know something we don't?

The world ends at 12 o’clock

Too r/mildlyinfuriating to be mildly interesting

Oh yeah, you’re right about that. Some local’s may have done it, OCD hidden inside everyone is dying

Damn this shit!!!

Center the dial between the doors and use a string to place the numbers the same distance from the center (the radius). This is one of the most frustrating things I’ve seen today!!

The position of the numbers is driving me wild

The shoddy placement really bothers me

how do they count the number 555? using a 111 strips?

Now that’s a symboled-Number system that makes sense.

Didn't realize how similar it is to Roman numerals. Huh

I want a clock made out of balls too

That's honestly not a bad system

This was poorly executed. What a shame.

That is cool.

TIL how to count in Mayan language

It is half past Rabbit 1

TIL I can count in Mayan.

It also appears to be built right into the wall.

TIL the Mayans counted in base 5.

Edit: Psych, they counted in base 5 vertically and base 20 horizontally. Neato

1, 2, 3, 4, many…

The dots are 5s and the lines are 1s, clearly

That. Is. Excellent.

That’s amazing

So the mayans invented morse?

Good job on the Mayans on making a clock that’s easy for Non-Mayans to read

I find it more interesting that Mayan have numbers TIL.

I knew playing *Atlantis II* all the time when I was a kid would come in handy someday!

*I can count in Mayan*