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12 too low
Also sides totally misaligned. It's very infuriating
It's all misaligned. How do you even take the effort to do something like this but don't take the time to measure and mark it out beforehand.
Man I thought this was pretty cool until I came to the comments
Yes! to all of you. I was so fascinated by this for 0.0003 seconds until I saw all the shitty flaws.
Serious question: does this pattern for their number markings increase in this way? Is writing 1 000 000 in words the way I'm hoping it is?
The Mayan system is actually in base 20. So these numbers in the clock are really just single digits and past twenty you would start to get double digit numbers as you can see here.
Edit: So for your question about 1 million, you can split that into 6x204 + 5×203. So the digits would be 65000, or in Mayan numerals, a line and dot, a line, then three 'shells' which represent zero.
It's a Mayan clock dude, do you think they had straight edges levels back in their day? /s
Mayan geometry was based on ropes and knots, and they were perfectly capable of laying out a circle on a wall with 12 equally spaced points on the circumference, two opposite points lying on a vertical line.
How does one even know this? Blows my mind how detailed people comment on the most obscure things. One of the great things about reddit.
The last peg of 4 is a crime against aesthetics.
For 9 they just plain ran out of space, it’s in the same vertical line as 8 and 10...
are you kidding, most of the shit is misaligned. that's honestly one of the least misaligned ones.
I'm 90% sure they glue-gunned that shit onto the wall by eye.
Look how much space there is between the peg and the bar on the 6 compared to the 9. The longer I look at this thing the worse it gets.
Yes. The vertical placement doesn't even bother me, it's the horizontal placement with it up against that frame.
Person probably thought, "I don't need to trace it. I know how big Mayan numbers should be!"
The entire thing is off. Whoever installed it just stood there and nailed or screwed shit in to throw it up in a rush.
Yeah, it looks like they didn't measure the correct distance for the center, then went around it clockwise, got to the left door frame and went "Shit.. Well fuck it I guess" and just jammed the rest in.
...Um.... Isn’t this how DIY is supposed to work?
I mean probably a joke, but no, DIY you can easily determine a good spacing distance from the wall, even if you're not sure where the door will wind up, and then use a pencil on a string to easily make a circle, then put the hour markers at least vaguely 1/12 away from each other, but at least circularly.
1 - 5 are also higher than 7 - 11.
This is actually the part that makes it a problem. If 12 is too low it looks bad, but doesn't affect function. If any of the numbers are placed wrong along the arc of the circle, the it fucks the function of the clock.
7,8,9 are bunched up in a way that would make you late in the mornings
I apologise for how fucking janky this is but in my sleep-deprived state it so infuriated me that I tried to painstakingly fix it on mobile picture-editing software hopefully this helps https://imgur.com/a/GtZ8xiv
I'm disturbed now thanks
Came here to say all this. I see something else wrong every time I look. Rage.
That's not 12, that's Cookie Monster.
Sentence missing “is”
Bang ding ow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals in case you were wondering how larger numbers are written (For example, thirty-three would be written as one dot, above three dots atop two bars. The first dot represents "one twenty" or "1×20", which is added to three dots and two bars, or thirteen)
what the actual fuck? they look like they count in base 5 but suddenly its base 20?
We do this with dozens sometimes. We also had the concept of "score" at some point which was a 20 base system. French also does a mixture of this.
The French, and more especially the Danes, love to fuck with numbers! :)
There have been some conceptual dozenal number systems, they're supposed to be more efficient than decimal ones. IIRC ancient Sumerians(? or maybe one of those other ancient groups of people) counted in dozens. They used their thumb to count out each knuckle on their dominant hand, and then used their non dominant fingers as a placeholder(so everytime you got to twelve, you would raise one finger on the non dominant hand and start over with the dominant hand). By doing this you can actually count to 60 on just your hands. I find myself using it quite often.
Base 2 is even better for hand counting. I can count to 31 on just one hand, 1023 on two hands
a dozen is a word that describes a certain amount. much like a bushel.
having these sorts of standardized units helps people sell commodities but it does not change our base counting system because a dozen is still 12 in base 10.
score isn't a different base. its still 20 in base 10 lmao.
... I'm not sure you understand how numbers and bases work.
I very much know how they work. I perhaps should have said a 20-esque base system. It is a unit, which has similarities for a base system. I didn't know I would be pressed. A dozen could be thought of either as a unit or as a base. When we talked about donuts at my side job while in grad school, we counted in dozens more than anything else. A dozen is 12 in every base system, it is only written as 12 in base 10. It would be written as 10 in base dozen :)
Fun fact, the counting system is base 20 but on calendars it's base 20 except for sometimes where it's base 18
Edit: This concept makes little sense when compared to the modern day decimal system, so I figured I'd add an edit from my source which explains it better than I can:
From Mathematics in a Sample of Cultures by Ximena Catepillan and Waclaw Symanski:
The Maya used Long Count dates to mark events, which occured over long periods of time. The shortest period was a kin, which is a day for us, and 20 kins was a uinal. a tun consisted of 18 uinals... and a katun had 20 tuns...
1 uinal = 20 kins
1 tun = 18 uinals = 360 kin
1 katun = 20 tun = 7,200 kins
“Base” is positional. So our numerals have Base 10 so there is a tens, hundreds and thousands position in 1995. Maya is Base 20 so different symbols are used up to 19, then the position of the symbols is used after 20. So
Is 1263 in decimal. The top position is the 202 position and ... means 3x202 or 1200. The middle position is the 201 position so ... is 3x201 or 60 and the bottom position is the 200 position so ... is 3x200 or 3. Add them all together you get 1263.
This is incredibly intuitive and easy to understand, wow.
Yeah. I wasn't very impressed with the clock but that wiki article showing equations was cool and looks so streamlined! ...at least, streamlined for small amounts (this might be pretty cumbersome once you get past 100).
Thanks! I will check this out! I am curious about how to read the bigger numbers too. I had to confirm first that it was actually Mayan numbers before posting 😁
It's basically base 20, with just ones and fives
Guatemalan money still uses it.
I just learned this at Tikal 2 weeks ago!
it's like a tally chart on crack
I've got a clock with Arabic numbers. Pretty cool!
Wow! Mine has Roman numbers. Pretty exotic, I know.
Call me traditional, but mine has American numbers.
Romans were great at math because X was always 10.
That would be pretty cool too. Any pics?
It's probably this model or one like it
Wow, same characters used in
The standard numerical symbols we use today is based on Arabic numerals. It's a joke.
I also used to make the mistake of calling our numbers Arabic because they're basic on Arabic. But modern Arabs don't use our numbers; they use the ones that ours were based on, where 0 thru 9 looks like the following.
٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
And weren't the arabic numerals actually Indian?
It was invented between the 1st and 4th centuries by Indian mathematicians. The system was adopted in Arabic mathematics by the 9th century.
I think it more accurately refers to the base ten numeral system, not necessarily the specific characters used to represent them. The script/font used to represent the numbers has evolved and substantially diverged over time.
This is the numbers we had on our clock above the door in our kitchen when I grew up and was exactly what I was thinking about when I read the arabic numbers joke.
You gotta love a joke based on ignorance though. Like a double entendre except its just a little sad.
Not necessarily. In Arabia they actually do use a different system to ours.
Edit: I know /u/amccune meant it as a joke.
Not long ago, I read that arabic numerals aren't called that in the middle east. They call them European numbers or something. I can't quite remember. But the article said they were used in Europe before arabia and spread there later on. Or something like that. As i said, I can't quite remember.
Mine has a little bird in it that cuckoo's every hour. Mind blown
Mine is Indian numbers.
You anti-American son of bitch!
I never saw/learned of Mayan numbers. I like them, seems like common sense was involved. I understood them quicker than roman numerals.
I learned them and forgot and this post has made me wonder why we had to learn them
I failed my 5th grade roman numeral test, and we moved on, I never learned them (I can read the copyright at the end of a movie but don't know how to compound them, and who cares). But I specifically remember that being the first time that my teachers said "OK you'll just not know this." I was really sad for a long time, and I started applying the "screw it I can just not know it" to other schoolwork that year.
I can read the copyright at the end of a movie but don't know how to compound them, and who cares
FWIW, the hard part is remember what letters signify which amounts. Then you do the larger values first, decending as you go to get the exact number you want. The exception to this is if you have a value that's essentially Big Number minus Smaller Number in which case you put that smaller category first.
M=1000, C=100, L=50, X=10, V=5, I=1 and I don't remember any others without looking them up. So if you want to express 2019, you have two "M" (which leaves 19 to count up), and then one X for ten, and then IX for 9 (1 subratacted from 10, because they're in the "wrong" order). MMXIX. If you want 40, it would be 10 subtracted from 50 (instead of 4 Xs) so XL.You can't subtract more than one value, so you could not say IIX was 8.
I think I was trying to get creative with subtraction - like writing MML and then trying to subtract backward or something. I don't remember that last rule about subtracting more than 1, so that might have been it. I just remember asking the teacher for clarification when we got our tests back, and she loudly said "the rest of the class is working on __ now so I guess your time to learn it has just passed."
... its not like your teacher is the only person in the world with knowledge of these legendary numbers from Rome.
it takes like 2 seconds to explain how they work. you just add the values together so long as they go in descending order. otherwise subtract the little one from the big one that follows it.
XI you add and get 11. IX you subtract and get 9.
.... there's nothing else involved other than knowing increasingly larger letters like M and L
Me too! I had to check first to see if it was actually Mayan. But being in Yucatan I had a strong suspicion 😀
I wish I could see how big that civilization really was.
Must have been amazing. Wish we hadn't wiped them out, and just shared knowledge instead.
They were already a dying civilization by the time the spanish got to Yucatan's Penninsula. And it was mostly disease what finally wiped them. And the jungle didn't help preserving the architecture.
Not saying the spanish had nothing to do with it, it just that their roll its exagereted.
Most Mayans had already disappeared when the Spanish got here.
That's a bit of a misnomer. The Maya themselves didn't disappear, they're still a very strong population in central America today with incredible diversity of language and culture. After a few centuries of brutal droughts though their classical civilization collapsed and they moved northward. However their numbers were very reduced by disease like you said
Roman numerals make more sense when things get bigger
The mayan system gets more confusing when things get bigger
Roman numerals are just confusing when you get larger than a few thousand though. They also take up more space for nearly all numbers.
Myans use a base-20 sort of system such that after 3 lines and 4 dots they move to another
columnrow which signifies 20-380.
That said, it's not perfect, but it definitely seems better than the Romans' flawed system which requires memorization and which cannot handle big numbers easily (there are 2 systems to handle bigger numbers, but they're both limited and stupid/confusing)
"okay we've been using Xs and Vs lately, now what?"
"We use L now."
It's odd but it's a far better system than putting a higher and higher dot above the number, which gets to be a problem at something as simple as 433
The only problem with that is stacking them rather than putting them in a row. Also that's only a problem if their writing wasn't top-to-bottom or bottom-to-top as well.
In Roman numerals, it can't easily handle numbers larger than a few thousand without making the system confusing.
You should keep learning about them, they're fascinating. They used a base system, like we do today, but they used 20 as their base instead of 10. (So 1.1.1 actually means 400 + 20 + 1 = 421.) They were also the first to have a fully functional zero digit!
I understand Roman up till about IX (9) because of Star Wars
I hear it stopped running in 2012
You're referring to the Maya Long Count, which counts up from the point of creation, not down to some end date. What occurred in 2012 was the completion of a cycle of years called the b'ak'tun. Think of it as the Maya version of a millennium
So it was just their computers that stopped working?
Didn't stop, just restarted
Shadow of the Tomb raider puzzles are still haunting me it seems
fuck those puzzles
Good god, the fact that those individual clock pieces are not symmetrical/lined up properly is like an itch I can't scratch.
Would that be considered a Base 5 counting scheme? Interesting.
Nice concept but not well executed. The pieces should've been smaller so it would fit in the area between the closed door and open one without the left side being all the way to the edge of the frame. Because of this, it doesn't look uniform in shape.
Just need to shift everything to the right a couple inches
I like the idea but it really is pretty sloppy
Its funny to see it. While growing up in Mty Mex from 1st to 5th of Primary school they taught us basic Mayan numbers system and naming objects with correct pronunciation. I still remember my lessons. I wonder if they still do that? Sea shells means 0
Wow, wicked burn on sea shells
Isn't this just fancy tally marks
TIL what Mayan numbers look like. God I’m ignorant.
Well it's not exactly taught to everyone. I don't think there's an expectation that you know what every number system in the world looks like, especially ones from long dead societies.
While the number system is no longer used, the Maya today are the largest indigenous group by population in the Americas at over 6 million. I know what you meant and am not trying to be pedantic, just thought I'd counter the common notion that ancient = gone.
I think you can be forgiven for not knowing what an ancient numerical system looks like. Unless you are a professor of ancient numerical systems, then yeah, you should probably rethink your career. All other professions, you are good.
I only knew because I was on vacation in Cancun for a week a couple of years ago and one of the guides taught us. And as you drive through Cancun in the main hotel area, the km signs in the median are in mayan numbers.
TIL; How to write numbers in mayan
Oh, this is the easy and boring stuff. Makes Mayan numerals look very normal. They're pretty wild and super cool, though.
Here, they look like they just add a line for every 5. But that only works up to 19 (3 lines, 4 dots). If you want to write 20, you have to write 𝋡𝋠 (a dot and a shell-looking symbol, if your font doesn't support it. Unicode has Mayan numerals, by the way, isn't that awesome?). Just a note that I write them left to right here, but they should be written top to bottom. What's that weird shell-looking thing? That's the numeral for zero. That may not seem like much, but it's super cool, they're one of the first civilisations to have the concept of zero! And they had a numeral for it.
You effectively write "10" for 20. That's because Mayans used a base-20 number system. We Westerners use base-10, each digit represents a multiple of a power of 10. For example, 274.3 = 2*102 + 7*101 + 4*100 + 3*10-1. You may also know of base-2, also called the binary system. That's a system where each digit represents a power of 2. You probably know where this is going. And you're absolutely right. In base-20, each digit represents a multiple of a power of 20.
Base-20 is actually something you can see remnants of in Europe, too. Specifically in France. "Quatre-vingt-dix," or "four-twenty [and] ten," is the French word for 90. You won't see it much in Switzerland and Belgium, where they use "nonante" because they aren't batshit.
But back to Mayans. If you wanted to write, say, 555, you have to convert it to powers of 20. Here you have 1*202 + 7*201 + 15*200. Now you know what digits you need. You need a digit for one, easy, just a dot. Then you need a digit for 7, that's a line and 2 dots. And then you need a digit for 15. That's a little weird, huh? 15 is 2 digits! Again, not in base-20, each number from 0 to 19 has its own symbol. Here, it's 3 just lines. Those may seem like separate symbols at first, but they act like a single one. In the photo, each number is one symbol, despite looking like many simpler ones. It's similar to the different strokes in Chinese symbols, even when they aren't connected, like with 彡, they still form a single glyph.
So, to write 555, you write a dot, then a line and 2 dots, and then 3 lines.
It's a little confusing at first, especially when poorly explained by a sleep deprived linguistics student at 2 AM in a single comment, but you can get a hang of it. Why you'd do that, I have no idea, but then again, I try (and fail) to learn dead languages for fun. Glass stones and thrown houses and all that.
It stops at 12, that must mean the world ends between 12:00 and 13:00.
I'm an idiot and literally said out loud wow they made a braille Morse code clock, then I read the caption.....smh well that's the dumbest thing I did today
I never thought the things I learned in Nancy Drew would be relevant
I recognize this from shadow of the tomb raider
Thought it was a Braille clock for a second, and all I could think was "well, that's kinda dumb".
But, no. I'm dumb for not reading.
I love it!
It is kind of similar to Roman Numerals (at least 1,2,3 and 5)
The hamburger with eyes on top seems too low
Interestingly similar to roman numerals.
The ”loss” clock
Nice dwarf jade!
Hey,what time is it? Uh it's 2 stones
I love how 7 looks like the :| face
Also mildly infuriating because it’s not centered.
No 13th hour? What are they hiding? Do they know something we don't?
The world ends at 12 o’clock
Oh yeah, you’re right about that. Some local’s may have done it, OCD hidden inside everyone is dying
Damn this shit!!!
Center the dial between the doors and use a string to place the numbers the same distance from the center (the radius). This is one of the most frustrating things I’ve seen today!!
The position of the numbers is driving me wild
The shoddy placement really bothers me
how do they count the number 555? using a 111 strips?
Now that’s a symboled-Number system that makes sense.
Didn't realize how similar it is to Roman numerals. Huh
I want a clock made out of balls too
That's honestly not a bad system
This was poorly executed. What a shame.
That is cool.
TIL how to count in Mayan language
It is half past Rabbit 1
TIL I can count in Mayan.
It also appears to be built right into the wall.
TIL the Mayans counted in base 5.
Edit: Psych, they counted in base 5 vertically and base 20 horizontally. Neato
1, 2, 3, 4, many…
Whoever aligned those should be shot. How hard would it have been to pull out a compass and string, draw a nice circle and the lay them down in nice alignment
The dots are 5s and the lines are 1s, clearly
That. Is. Excellent.
So the mayans invented morse?
Good job on the Mayans on making a clock that’s easy for Non-Mayans to read
I find it more interesting that Mayan have numbers TIL.
I knew playing Atlantis II all the time when I was a kid would come in handy someday!
I can count in Mayan