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In the 2060’s we’re gonna see some crazy shit.
"Gymnast loses limbs from spinning too fast at Olympic Event"
No problem! Just plug them back in! 🔌
But then we won't recognize them. Because of the red arm.
wipes Cheeto dust on my ripped Bieber/Cyrus 2052 shirt
Psssh... what a fucking loser.
Bieber/Cyrus 2052 shirt
Oh the horror...
Don't worry. They lose to kanye/Kanye jr.
Maybe by then I will be able to flee to Mars, unless that is where they are seeking to hold office.
Hey, Kanye Jr. made history as the first clone to be elected to public office. An inspiration to us all, really.
"I developed a move, a move the likes of which the world had never seen before. A move so revolutionary, so dangerous that it would have catapulted the team that stuck it straight to the top. But like many revolutionary ideas it just scared the sh*t out of the establishment. So I quit... and I took it to the one place on earth bat shit crazy enough to try. North Korea. Behind the bamboo curtain, they call it... the Iron Lotus."
Blades of Glory - The Iron Lotus
I love all Mars movies that ignore the fact that due to atmospheric pressure the worse Mars storm will be like an 8.5x11 paper pushing against you.
Thats kinda interesting. Care to explain further?
Atmospheric pressure is a way of describing how thick the air is, how many molecules of air are in a given volume.
The air on Mars is much, much thinner compared to the air on Earth, about 200x thinner. So when Martian wind blows against you, you only feel a slight push because there's only 0.6% of the air molecules that we have on Earth.
TL;DR: Earth air fat, Martian air thin. Fat air push stronger than thin air.
Earth air is obese? I am not surprised.
Nah Earth air is thicc. Venusian air is obese at 90x Earth thiccness.
grunts in understanding
Shhhhh space needs to be scarier than it is
I mean it's not NSFL or anything but..
I don't know if SFW is the correct phrase.
I mean, if you have a job where you can watch youtube videos, this one won't trigger any red flags.
Looks like a mortal kombat fatality or something lmao
There are more and more articles about biological limits and world records. In races, the new records will be set in microseconds e.g.
That is, until the cyborg olympics start
Augmented* let's allow super performance drugs too in this category
The jacked category. All the steroids you want.
Not sure if you are serious, but all the guys that compete in the Worlds Strongest Man competitions are all eating 8-10k calories a day and shitting out pounds of steroids. Like their schedule is completely based on working out as long as you can between eating sessions that would make the average man die. Preparing meals is a 4 hour a day job and they lift 4-6 hours a day.
The day prosthetics start looking and being as powerful as those in something like Deus Ex is the day every sport becomes ALOT more interesting.
Yep, there is a great series by I think wired called "Why it's almost impossible to X"
Why it almost impossible to run the 100 meters in less then 9 seconds. Stuff like that. The human body literally just can't put out enough force to go much less than 9 seconds. 9 is possible, but 8 just isn't.
I read something like this about baseball. Basically we’ve seen the peak of pitching. We won’t see an increase in the speed of pitches anymore bc biologically, through technology training, we’ve maxed what the body is capable of performing.
Yup, wired has one on that too. Part of it is that we haven't actually gotten any faster at throwing a fastball. It's weird, but Baseball is the one sport that hasn't really changed.
People have always been able to throw 100+ mph fastballs. It's just now a lot MORE people can do it (though still only like, what, 4 dozen? less?)
Walter Johnson likely could throw that fast in the 1900s. It took someone fifty five years to break his record of strikeouts.
Nolan Ryan would still fit on a modern baseball team no question.
In most sports if you put someone from the 60's or 70's in they'd get destroyed, but not baseball because we've been maxing at the body pretty much since the beginning. Probably because throwing a stone sized object is literally something we evolved to do.
I have a Nolan Ryan signed baseball. He was my hero and NO ONE could tell me Randy Johnson was filthier.
Great points btw.
Citius, Altius, Fortius, Crazius
To be fair, somewhere in the middle they started banning some super cool stuff.
Wow. And I can see how some would be banned for being risky/dangerous. But that side vault made my knees cry.
Yep. What you don’t see in this video is why these were banned. Lots of neck and back injuries during training and competition, some fatal.
The one where the girls hit the lower bar and spin around had a serious risk of internal injuries if I recall correctly.
I cringed in pain just watching this. Granted the basically always awful outcome for a man added up to it but the idea of slamming yourself pelvis/stomach first into a bar is horrifying to me.
How could they even come up with something that seemingly has greater chances to tear internal organs than coming out unharmed.
Because they are Olympians. They are elite athletes while we are mere mortals
I competed in that era, and it lasted a long time. I don't think that one ended due to injuries, rather they moved the bars much further apart so the newer giants and release moves could become more of a thing.
You're right. There's no wraps anymore because the bars were moved further apart. Some skills were banned simply because the FIG didn't want to see them anymore, not because they were dangerous. Like the Korbut flip, you can't stand on the bars anymore. So obviously, you can't do a Korbut flip.
I was happy not to see the bad stuff. I understood why they were banned without seeing the damage.
Yeah, one of the roll-outs in that video was almost botched, another inch and she'd have broken her neck.
ok so where's that video?
The sheer number of 20 something previous olympic competitors with shot joints is a good reason. And that's just general abuse from the sport and not a catastrophic failure mid-stunt.
We still do some similar moves in breakdancing. We call them suicides.
Suspicious lack of the Iron Lotus in this video
Iron lotus, along with the infamous fountain of troy have been removed from history due to being prohibididado. They say it in Spanish because that’s how prohibited it is.
It's so banned they aren't even allowed to mention it!
Thanks for the video that was awesome
Yeahhhhh... Roll outs are a no go for me.
That Korbut flip is the shit, but I get why they would ban it lol
It's not technically banned. Gymnasts aren't allowed to stand on the bars anymore. The change was made because the FIG wanted bar routines to have a more swingful quality. So there's no stopping, standing, or sitting on the bars anymore.
Olga Korbut, what an unmatched legend.
Some of those moves made me cringe so hard, no way my back/legs could handle half of those
That is some super cool stuff, though I want to see the vids of the attempts that caused these to be banned.
I don't want to see one of those roll-outs go bad. That's a broken neck or a lifetime of paralysis right there.
You're right, that's what happened to Elena Mukhina two weeks before the 1980 olympics.
That’s so horrible. I can’t even imagine going from one of the worlds greatest gymnasts to a quadriplegic. I don’t know how the coaches that pushed her to try that move when she was already injured lived with themselves.
The ones in the vid looked amazing though.
One of the most basic types of vaults was close to being banned. It's where the gymnast does a round off on to the springboard and goes onto the vault backwards. The vault was a horse not a table at the time so poor timing or form would easily be very dangerous. This is why they decided to change the vault to a table and keep the Tsukahara vault.
Haha I’m a gymnast and I remember looking at videos of the old vaulting table after learning tsukaharas as well as tricks like front hand spring fronts and stuff, and being super sketched out by it. not only is the old horse much longer, but it also is much more narrow, an issue I struggled with when learning new tricks, as well as it looked like it was significantly lower (I don’t know if the old ones had adjustable heights like the new ones do). Shit was scary enough to learn already, I’m glad they changed it.
I was a gymnast when they made the switch from the horse to the table. The table is what freaked me out! I was so scared I wouldn’t clear the back end of it because it looked so long. Funny how different your perspective is depending on what you are used to. And yes, the horse was adjustable in height too. It did seem lower than the table, but at the time I was just a kid, so height could have been imagined in my mind.
Dude how often do gymnasts break their toes
It's amazing how many of these look like professional wrestling moves.
Was about to say that. It really reminded me of Mexican luchadores in particular.
We all know how the 'Iron Lotus' turned out in ice skating.
Did that guy break his leg on the side vault??
Thanks now my knees hurt
Those clips are even more impressive when you notice how catastrophic even a small error would be. No wonder they're banned, training must have had a lot of painful washouts.
This is fucking awesome, thank you
Indeed. I remember when they banned The Iron Lotus from skating.
That video resulted in me flinching for 5 minutes. Crazy shit!
Me on my sofa: coooool
Imagine the reaction of a modern gymnast routine in the 60's...
When I saw this I imagined an acrobat hoping into a time machine and going to the 60s to show off and the announcers are like:
Announcer 1: And here comes Billie Billabong. An newcomer to the sport performing on the pommel horse and she’s going to start with a and what the fuck is this?!
Announcer 2: Are you seeing this shit?! She did 5 backflips in midair!
Man 1960s people were totally lame.
How they managed to land on the moon is totally unbelievable
1903 - First flight
1969 - Land on the Moon
2019 - Where are my flying cars at?
"If you want flying cars, put wheels on a helicopter." -Elon Musk
"I though they already had wheels" - Barry Helicopter (inventor of the helicopter)
For some reason I can't fathom that a helicopter was named after someone.
Edit: I have been r/woosh ed
Name comes from helico (helical or spiral) and pter (wings).
Well the name pterodactyl makes much more sense now
That's why most people don't know that the P in helicopter is silent just like the P in pterodactyl.
Well an helicodactyl would make a nice new jurassic park
Whoever thought 'pter' was a reasonable word in any language should have been fired.
Little-known fact, it's Barry Helico-Pter. His father, Cole Pter, was a famous archaeologist. They named a dinosaur after him; the colepiocephale.
"Oh you want a flying car? How about all your neighbors having flying cars?" -- Musk too.
Flying cars won't come until we get fully automated vehicles and a separate licence required if you ever wanna manually pilot it. There's no way y'all can be trusted with them.
I'm already anxious that some car is going to run into my on the side of the road. I don't think I'd like having to be afraid of them falling on me either.
What if it had ice cream and you lived?
Even automated flying cars would be ridiculously dangerous. Most aircraft accidents happen during takeoff and landing. If flying cars became common this would multiply the number of those taking place every day by, literally, billions.
Between 2002 and 2011 the accident rate was 0.6 per 1 million flights. You're looking at thousands of accidents per day.
And that's all assuming that your average idiot pays as much attention to maintenance and safety as an airline.
That's for a big plane that needs a runway and can generally only move forward. I imagine flying cars will be VTOL.
A lot of people can't be trusted to drive well on a flat surface, let alone in 3 dimensions.
We could but I don’t trust any of you assholes on 2 axes let alone 3.
You don't get a flying car, but here is a smart phone that can play fps games.
Neil should have at least done a front flip, the gravity is so low out there.
Right? I mean, did they even know what the moon was? They were obviously so stupid.
Today on Reddit: The most convincing argument that the moon landing was staged... Gymnastics
This video is kinda misleading. Artistic gymnastics underwent some major rule changes since the 60s.
Without getting into too much detail cause I dont remember specifics basically you can think of it like this. Todays routines have a score based on difficulty and excecution, so the more complicated the routine, the higher the possible score.
In the 60s it was capped regardless of difficulty, so a less complicated routine that was done perfectly would score better than a complicated one.
Don't get me wrong todays gymnasts are way better than yesterdays. But what you see in the video is due to strategy not lack of capability 👍.
Yeah, but that was only 12 years ago. Even gymnasts in the 90s were doing wayyyyy more than the ones from the 60s
Gymnasts have definitely improved, but so has the equipment. To be clear, I’m not saying gymnasts have improved because of the equipment, but that it’s going to help to have a more springy floor. And gymnasts are allowed to look more muscular nowadays when before a very petite figure was preferred.
Such graceful hopping was to be had though.
There is a video somewhere of banned gymastic moves that were considered too dangerous to allow to continue, especially on the uneven bars. Those guys back in the day were doing some really crazy things.
Can you imagine how lame we'll look in another 60 years (2079)?
Related, I love watching the early X Games from the 90's. The snowboarders jumping out of some crappy little 5 foot "half pipe" and kinda turning once. Now they're measuring with a 50 foot stick out of the 20 foot pipe or from the 100 foot jump I have to figure out how many spins a 1440 and 1620 are that they added to the triple back flip.
Also, skysurfing was in the X-Games.
"This generation doesn't know what hard work is" Sure grandpa, sure.
"You've all got it so easy, now." No, we just raised the difficulty levels to keep up with our advantages.
Sure, 2012 has access to better equipment, knowledge databases, and medical support, but the whole point is to advance along with all of those things.
Edit: if all people can do is create sides to an argument from this post, then you're losing out on the important life lessons of history. The real point here should be that we are always trying to improve at the top levels of any field, not which is better or easier.
When the computer was invented people thought that they would work shorter days because they finished their work early, in reality they just got more work.
Or they do have a lot less work, but they have to stretch it out and pretend to be busy for 40 hours a week to keep getting paid.
That's where you're wrong. You see, people got smart and learned that if they get done early, they get more work, thus they stretched out the workload over the day to not get worked to death. Work smarter not harder.
No truer statement. I hate bosses that get mad that you're actually efficient and can finish early
No, we just raised the difficulty levels to keep up with our advantages.
So, you mean to say that the bar has been raised?
Both metaphorically and literally, but the important part is acknowledging that we've improved, not debating who did it better or had it harder.
yes, the gymnastics bars
I was rolling my eyes hard earlier this week, I plugged in a new computer for my grandpa and he was starstruck and then started in about how if it was woodworking he'd look that impressive. I don't know what gave him impression I was being smug driving over there to plug in 4 cords, and absolutely no question he's better than me at cutting corner joints or whatever they're called, I'm not smarter than him it's just I grew up half a century later than him and have different skills.
Have him teach you woodworking. Seriously. It can be so useful if not lucrative.
Look at the differences in equipment. No trampoline floor, the bar barely bends, the horse is extremely dangerous.
Also these athletes were no professionals.
I totally could've been a 60's Olympic gymnastic. I'm gonna add this to my skill set on my resume.
Well yes, the Olympics didnt allow professional athletes back then.
What do you mean? This lady crushes 2018 Olympic skiing.
IIRC She had an extra $100,000 to spend going to every Women's half pipe Olympic qualifying competition and didn't fall. Not falling occasionally placed her high enough to get some Olympic qualification points. She's now an Olympian so... yay?
Wow. Thanks for the info
Iirc she moved to Hungary because they had no ski team and she wanted to go the olympics. Something like that.
I really should go look up any article about her to get real facts. But I do remember something about changing nationalities, which is something only really rich people can do frivolously. She's going to be the last example of old school Olympics where it was mostly just a bunch of rich people looking to have an adventurous holiday competing against other non professionals (or any working class folk) for national glory.
Professional athletes weren't allowed in The Olympics at that time. It was exclusivly for amateurs. In the late 70's and 80's it started to change to what we have today.
Technically most competitors are still amateurs. It's really just the big team sports that are filled with pros.
It's just that you can train from birth under a coach grooming you for the Olympics, compete, then quit your sport in your 20s because of ruined joints, and still have never been a professional.
Many of these "sports" don't have leagues with teams and shit
NHL players weren't allowed until 1998.
To be fair they were amateurs in the 60's. Not government sponsored professional athletes
That's not true at all. The Soviets, and Romania, and plenty of other countries had government run and supported sports programs including gymnastics. They really dominated the field.
The reason why our athletes can do more impressive skills today is because our technology is better, our training is better, and our sports medicine is better. They have the advantage of working off of all of the lessons learned their predecessors had to lay down for them.
For an example, in the vault in the gif, you can clearly see the springboard is very different. The added energy gained by the newer and better springboard allows the gymnast to even attempt such a difficult skill. And by transferring from a horse to a table, not only is his target larger and distance to travel smaller, but it's far safer for him as well.
But back in the day the athletes that had the best chance were the ones that had the most time to dedicate to the sport. You couldn’t dedicate much time to a sport if you had to work a full time job so the best athletes tended to be the very rich who didn’t have to work. So Olympic sporting became increasingly exclusive to the children of the super rich who could dedicate their life to a sport they had a passion about on their parents dime. This would have made most Olympic sports exclusive to the upper class.
If you want to make an argument for government run programs, they allow anyone even from meager means to dedicate their life to a sport they have a passion about without them having to be homeless or divide up their time between work and practice.
What’s the difference? Most Olympic athletes have to work second jobs to support their athletic pursuits. Gold medalist/Home Depot employee isn’t exactly what comes to mind when you say “government sponsored professional athletes”
Maybe look in to the life of your average Chinese gymnast. It will make more sense. At best these people are isolated their entire lives to train for these events. At worst they’re selectively bred for this very purpose.
Not government sponsored professional athletes
Not even in the ballpark of true.
Yes, and the skill and difficulty have increased to match those advantages. If the only thing you take away from this post is "2012 was better", then you're just picking sides in an argument instead of actually learning from history.
The way he stuck the landing...goddamn.
Higher, faster, stronger, Spinnier
The effort my parents had to put in 40 years ago to get a job vs. the effort I have to put in now to get a job
Back when cigarettes were healthy.
Wow, they really raised the bar!
I blame the hormones in the chicken
Wow, he really improved in 52 years!
I watched this appropriately 17 times
Things are a lot more colourful
Technology is defined as ideas, processes and tangible objects. People tend to focus on that last one and forget the former two. What we're witnessing here is literally higher technology. The ideas and processes the athletes use represent higher technology.
Ideas and methods as technology is something Keith Code talks a lot about in his books on motorcycle racing. It's such a cool piece of perspective because it can be widely generalized to make you better at lots of things.
Looking at your ideas about the world as tools that help you do things well is next level tech.
There is still significantly higher levels of tangible object technology here too though. The invention and shift to better springboards, larger vault tables and especially using dowel grips has made it physically possible for gymnasts to try new, bigger and faster skills that simply weren't possible previously.
Yep, and I can't do anything like *either* of those.
There was actually a great article in... NYtimes? last year about the amount of progress we've made in the Olympics and how we are not likely to keep pushing the limits without performance enhancers.
Just imagine what they could if they let them use drugs!
I used to skateboard as a teen, I’m 33 as of January 10, 2019, and I was what’d be considered a good skater during that time . Switch hard flips, switch 360 flips, kick flip then pop shove it after the kick flip while still in the air... Once the internet came, I started seeing the craziest techniques. I had nothing on the future. I was in 2000s and the kids were in 2020s
Crazier yet still is the fact that those more recent moves aren't even the craziest in their recent apparatus / events. Elite level gymnasts are now doing triples off the vault and double back releases on the high bar.