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Good thing that The The Stick of Truth was a great game. Fractured but Whole however...
Edit: I liked FbW, but nothing about it was better that SoT in my opinion. The story doesn’t have an ending, the combat is simplified but not necessarily better. The jokes are still great though.
i loved SoT a lot, was the sequel not as good? haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
It's pretty good. Maybe not quite as good as the SoT, but it's basically more of the same type of thing, but the kids are playing super heroes this time.
I think they are both pretty equal, because they both do different things.
SoT is more roleplay in combat plus fan service with the Easter eggs and everything in it. Where as FBW was more accessible with the combat and action pAcked with its characters, even tho the combat was evolved compared to SoT
Fanservice? Don't remind me of the cartman titties.
And choosing how long Randy gets probed in the ass
Bought it in Germany for PC and the only thing censored were the swastikas and Sieg Heil shouts, I think.
But that was the best part!
I honestly thought FBW was better. They were both great, and let's be real, largely do the same thing. But FBW was much more fleshed out. The combat had a more tactical RPG set up that I way preferred to SoT's Paper Mario style combat. And the story was just as good IMO.
I liked the combat better in FBW, but I thought the theme in SoT was better, and a bit funnier overall. I'd like a SoT 2 with more game mechanics
I can agree with that. The medieval dungeons and dragons theme had a lot more room for humor than the super hero thing. Jimmy as the bard was hilarious. And you know the best class was the Jew.
I think it's a lot better. I like both. I also played FbW first so that may affect how I feel. But FbW is the only game I wanted to and enjoyed getting 100% achievements.
I liked fbh more to be honest, the humor wasn't around long enough to wear thin like with SOT.
One thing I really disliked about SOT was the collectibles. Now I quite like collectibles, but placing them in areas that you cannot go back to is a bit of a dick move.
Yep I missed one of the first ones that disappears. So Im over 99% complete on that one achievement, but can't get it without doing it all over.
Damn this just reminded me how annoying that first realization was lol. It really doesn't matter that much for enjoyment of the game, yet I felt so pissed lol.
I liked Fractured as well, especially the longer play time than SoT.
It's honestly really good, and it's longer. If you liked Stick of Truth, definitely pick it up!
The combat was way better but the story and comedy were a step back.
The Stick of Truth was like rapacious nazi zombie aliens and giant mutated aborted kardashian babies, and The Fractured But Whole was like black jokes and PC principal.
I thought the combat was a step forward, the story felt like it went along with the current season of South Park at the time,
But SoT felt timeless. You could play that game after years of being off the South Park train and still understand it versus Fractured where you find out Craig and Tweek had a relationship
The story isn't as good, but the upgrades they made to the gameplay are amazing, couldn't go back to SoT after trying out the new gameplay updates they made. The story can be very literally disappointing, however
It also has basically no replay value. Should’ve just been just bosses and maybe a harder postgame/ new game+
Eh, not sure why replay value is such a necessary thing though. How many games do you actually replay anyway? The vast majority of games are one and done for me. I have a lot less time to play than I did when I was younger and there are just too many games to play. I've never been one of those people that plays Skyrim like 12 times all the way through though so maybe I'm just a different kind of gamer.
More of the same (in a good way). Definitely worth your time, although I liked Stick of Truth just a little bit more.
I gotta disagree about Fractured But Whole. I thought it was great, and it's significantly longer than Stick of Truth!
FbW is also really good imo
Combat is better/deeper but I will say that the story isn’t as funny and well put together
What are you talking about? Both games were great.
Honestly I didn't think the jokes in Fractured but Whole were that great, SoT however had some real comedy gold like when you had to disable a snuke by preforming an abortion on it while listening to christmas music or when the world gets saved and a random guy says "The Dragonborn must of farted on a princess' balls"
I actually enjoyed Fractured But Whole more
You didn't know? Next you're going to tell me that you didn't know they made tyranny as well.
It's a crpg with skill based leveling where your choices lead you down vastly different paths.
It's also unique with the fact that you create your own character but you establish yourself in the world before the real game actually starts.
It does a lot of very interesting things that other RPGs should learn from and it also manages to do them well first try.
what's the c in rpg?
Had to Google it myself. It stands for "computer", apparently. So does that mean it's PC exclusive?
Edit: According to this topic on Steam, the "C" stands for classic, as in top-down.
Crpg is generally the term used to describe the classic, top down isometric, story heavy western rpgs a la baldurs gate, nwn, planescape torment etc.
It stands for computer to distinguish them from tabletop rpg's.
Tyranny is a fantastic cRPG. Probably my favorite modern one. The biggest problem is that the ending is a set up for a sequel and I have no idea what the chance of it getting one is.
Edit: Huh, Paradox released a two year anniversary trailer for Tyranny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLHKmksMTn8
Edit 2: Wait, it's just the original trailer with some gameplay shots added. Damn it Paradox...
It was extremely poorly marketed. The game is really fun though. I highly recommend checking it out.
Tyranny is fuckin fantastic! Get on it
Please tell me that all pre-orders got the "dick in mouth" accessory included.
That's not true.
Sometimes you're also getting tacky posters or cheaply made trinkets.
And sometimes you are getting Fallout 76 and No Mans sky
No Man's Sky is actually pretty good... Now
Really?? Is it anything like the game they told people it was going to be before it launched?
It's pretty close, definitely worth a buy, it goes on sale on steam occasionally for 30. They're doing a lot more work on it, but it's how the game should have launched. It's worth 30 if you can find it for that
Just saw it for that on Steam
This comment and the conversation that follows happens every single time no man's sky is mentioned on this sub to the point where I'm convinced it's bots.
I don't own the game but I have a feeling some people actually stuck with the game and had faith in it.
The fact that hello games has been working on it non stop since release, and the fact that they're.. actually pretty good developers with terrible PR skills, and the fact that a lot of professional outlets have kept up with the game's progress over time, I think these bots might just be real people who actually believe what they're saying.
Heck, I enjoyed it on release even if I agree with the criticisms. The game was oversold and deceptively advertised but it gave me what I wanted and I was keen to watch my game time so I could bail with a refund if needed.
And others you get a nice canvas bag!
But most likely you'll just get a regular nylon bag when you were promised the canvas one
You say not! That’s why I only preorder from AAA publishers! They’d never advertise one thing and then give another!
I remember working at Eb games when collector editions really started getting common. Like gears 3 and dead island time.
Gears 3 epic edition was actually a pretty nice large statue but after buying it and dead island I was like well that was a waste of money.
Luckily sold the gears stuff on and recouped my money. $350 iirc for it.
Sometimes the bonus stuff is quality, it's just a matter of how much you really care about the franchise.
This is also a bit meta because after THQ went out of business the game went into a bit of a limbo while legalities were discussed so Ubi Soft could release it. They later made a joke about in the first
Broken Fractured But Whole trailer where Butters said something like "Yeah...right" when preorders were announced as open.
I had a preorder from 2012 that I was finally able to use in 2014.
They might have done it a second time, but that was for Stick of Truth, and it happened at the end of the Black Friday/Game of Thrones 3 part episode they did in 2013.
They finally get the Xbox One, play it, then get bored and go outside, making up the game in Stick of Truth, with Cartman declaring "Screw Video Games, who needs em". At that point, an advertisement for Stick of Truth pops up, with the phrase "coming to stores soon".
Butters pops up and ends with "yeah, and if you believe that, I have a big floppy wiener to dangle in your face" a call back to South Park's version of George R.R. Martin being obsessed with wieners.
Same thing happened to me.
didn't stop you with smash bros, did it, /r/gaming
edit: oooh touched a nerve.
To be fair, I don't think I've ever felt betrayed pre-ordering a Nintendo game yet.
Now, pre-ordering a Nintendo CONSOLE...Don't regret having a Wii U, just regret owning one as early as I did.
I preordered Ocarina of Time for the N64 back in the day.
Despite it being one of my all-time favorites... they delayed that game so many times, I completely forgot I had pre-ordered at multiple locations over the span of like 2 years.
I remember the first pre-order. When I was told it was being pushed back an entire year... LOL. Talk about betrayal! Damn you, EB games!
cries in kingdom hearts 3
Stares wistfully at a poster of Half Life 2: Episode 3.
At least nobody pre-ordered that.
But I also know people that fucking died before even seeing Epistle 3, so it's hardly any consolation to the dead.
I remember being a kid and walking into blockbusters and the latest game was Zelda ocarina of time. The cover seemed kind of cool so I picked it up.
Needless to say I got quite the nice surprise when I got home.
Imagine stumbling into one of the greatest games of all time and then having to give it back two days later.
Thankfully Christmas was two months away.
I still remember picking up that golden goodness.
In those days pre-orders were kinda needed as shit actually sold out and you may have to wait months to get your hands on the game. I never did get SMB3 or Double Dragon for the original NES though I remember searching everywhere for months.
Delay is perfectly acceptable when there are no updates.
Delays should still be okay even with updates. If the game isn't finished, then delay it.
See a preorder from back then is different. I used to preorder games because stores would only get a limited stock. There were times where I didn’t preorder and would have to wait weeks before I could finally get a copy
Now in the digital age, there’s literally no reason to preorder. Just wait a week after release and see if it lives up to the hype then download it overnight or get a copy at GameStop since now supplies rarely run out. Only reason to preorder now is if you want the merch that comes with it and as we’ve seen lately, even that’s become a huge gamble
Plus, if I remember correctly, you only had to put like $5 down and that guaranteed you a copy when the game came out. And then that $5 was used towards the purchase price.
Shall we discuss Starcraft Ghost?
Plus pre-orders used to be important because the game store might otherwise run out of the games!
Psh, I had a friend of a friend who preordered Duke Nukem Forever in 1999 from Gamestop.
Always wondered if that friend was able to redeem it when it finally came out.
I totally remember people saying "To be fair, I don't think I've ever felt betrayed pre-ordering a Bethesda Games Studios game yet." and here we are.
1000+ upvotes to "to be fair; this is different"
People never learn.
I just posted a fuckin’ essay in defense of Smash... but yeah, Nintendo is super stuck in the past with their hardware. No bluetooth headphones on the Switch (for no damn reason) and no headphone jack on the Pro Controller? You’re killing me here guys.
What you need to understand is that Japan is a country run by grandpas.
Everyone in charge there is very old and only arguably wise.
I just posted a fuckin’ essay in defense of Smash
No bluetooth headphones on the Switch (for no damn reason)
Strangely enough it hasn't even occurred to me to connect my headset through bluetooth. They use bluetooth for the controller connection so I'm guessing they don't want to add to much traffic to that channel to prevent lag or other bluetooth related problems.
That being said, it's not unthinkable that they'll eventually implement it by update. Untill then you can already do it with a 3.5mm jack dongle or with usb dongle after the 4.0 update. I also found this, which might be interesting.
But yeah... I don't really want to go back to the gameboy (colour/advance) days, with all that extra plastic hanging and sticking around just so you could see your screen at night...
Isn’t this the entire crux of this conversation, though?
‘Pre-ordering is bad until it is something I want, in which case it’s fine and perfectly reasonable.’
I hate the gaming community’s hard on for anti-pre-orderism, if I can call it that. I don’t pre-order anything, but leave people the fuck alone about how they choose to spend their money.
For every ‘yeah, but Smash is worth it,’ there’s a case of someone believing COD or FIFA is as well. People in these communities need to give it a rest.
I basically treat it like gambling. Sometimes you win, sometimes the odds are better than other times, and you can't really complain about being ripped off if you lose.
My brother bought a Wii U and we played for a bit, like a few hours. It's just been collecting dust for years now.
Well duh, those assholes are in Japan not California
japanese assholes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I can kind of get that. Amazon offered a 20 dollar coupon if you preordered. So if you order stuff on amazon it’s not a bad deal. I didn’t because I was just gonna but a digital copy from the Nshop but I get it.
Well yeah, because that was handled right. We knew everything about the game before launch (Nintendo promised this early on). We knew all the stages, all the characters (save for the DLC characters being introduced way later, which they specifically said not to buy the pre-pass for if you weren’t sure you were going to want everyone no matter what). They did demos and tons of people got to play the full game before launch, so we got opinions not just from game critics and journalists but also from the masses.
Because of all of the above, I preordered. I even added the fighter’s pass blind. I was able to download it early, and I even got an update pushed to me before launch. When Piranha Plant was announced as extra DLC and free as a thank you to early purchasers, I got that, too.
Smash Ultimate is the third game I’ve preordered in my decades of gaming and I regret nothing. It’s a clear exception to the rule.
And yeah, I typed that whole thing with Sakurai’s dick in my mouth. The game’s just that good.
It's just because Sakurai is a fucking god. I mean holy shit, did you play Kid Icarus Uprising? I really hope he changes his mind about not doing a sequel.
That game is fantastic, but fuck, it's hard to play when you're left handed and dont want to buy the lefty add on for 3ds just for one game
It didn't stop people here with Fallout 76. They came back crying.
I've never been butt fucked by Nintendo for one of their main titles literally ever. I think most Nintendo fans would agree with that. The issue is that people know that EA is trash yet continue to preorder their trash, then complain about it.
You get a very transparent detail with Nintendo games though. You always almost know the quality and content of the game when buying it.
Nintendo is probably one of two companies where pre-ordering is pretty "safe" and you may actually have issues finding physical copies of their big releases on release day.
I've been banned in past from r/gaming for posting the youtube link to this exact line of dialogue. What the fuck?
Easy to remove and ban when a post has 2 upvotes. If a post gets this many upvotes before they see it, they just leave it. Wonder why.
They get upvote kick backs.
Nah, people will still pre-order and then bitch about the game they pre-ordered instead of waiting to see if it's any good first
As is tradition.
My only two pre-orders: Duke Nuke Em Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines....just let that breathe for a minute.
Fuck pre-ordering video games, NEVER AGAIN!!!!
You poor bastard.
You need to make better life choices lol
Just don't get into lottery tickets any time soon.
well really that depends...did you preorder Duke Nukem back in like 1999 or did you preorder when gearbox took over
Obviously gearbox. The early stuff was good.
My only pre-ordered game was Skyrim, so, you know, there is the other end of the bell-curve.
"just let that breath a moment"
Loved that line :) probably going to end up stealling it sometime, to be honest :)
Oh God, I preordered Duke Nukem as well. I will preorder a bullet before I ever preorder a game again in my life. That game was so fucking bad it makes Fallout 76 look like Ocarina of Time.
There should be a monthly support group for us suckers that bought the biggest digital pile of dog shit the world has ever seen... and at full price $60 😭
Some of the younger gamers today might not know why the pre-order system exists. Let this old, 35 year old gamer explain. Stay a while and listen.
When games were coming out for older systems like the NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1, etc, those systems weren't connected to the internet. There was no digital version of the game. No patches, no content updates, etc. If the game had bugs or glitches, they were part of the game. You went to Toys R Us (or Electronics Boutique, whatever), went down the game aisle, pulled a paper slip out of an envelope, brought said slip to a window at the front of the store, the clerk brought you your game, you'd pay for it with your allowance, then go home. While your mom drove you home, you read through the manual to familiarize yourself with the controls and to get ready to play.
These cartridges/discs were not made in the quantities that they are made in today. Each store would receive a limited amount of cartridges, and when they sold out, you had to wait for the store to receive the next shipment. So if your parents didn't take you to the store on release day, you might show up a day or two later only to see that the games are sold out. You could prevent this dire situation by pre-ordering your game. The store set aside a cartridge for each pre-order, so when you showed up at the store, you were guaranteed to get a copy of the game. Again, since you couldn't download anything, the only way to play the game was to either A) buy the physical cartridge, or B) See if one of your friends would let you borrow theirs.
Today, we do not have a supply issue when it comes to physical games. Stores order them in large quantities and I would argue that their supply would not run out. If they did, that means they placed their orders incorrectly. Even if they sell out, you can still download the game when you get home, meaning you are always guaranteed to get your game, no matter what. No...pre-order...necessary.
Companies keep the pre-order model in place because they want to show shareholders the revenue their game is generating, even though they haven't provided said product. If you've already given the company your money, and you don't have the game, what are you paying for exactly? The company has no incentive to provide a high quality product because they already got paid. This is bad for gaming as a whole.
Stop pre-ordering video games. You're hurting the industry each time you do, and you're just padding some CEO's wallet and getting nothing in return.
Edit: Thank you for the silver kind stranger.
Companies keep the pre-order model in place because they want to show shareholders the revenue their game is generating, even though they haven't provided said product.
To expand upon this: every preorder is considered a day 1 sale, so preorders are a good way to inflate their early sales figures. They can make months/years of preorders look like they were all sold in a day on paper. I remember an indie record label outright told fans this in a blog post asking fans to preorder.
I'll save this comment for reference
Wow, just had a flashback just as you described it. The only difference is that as the little brother, I would get to hold the case and look at the back while my older brother went over the manual. Once we got the game going, I read the manual and watched while he played. Eventually I would get my turn but I wasn't as good as him so I usually just watched and referenced the manual.
Dunno why you waiting to play is so wholesome to me right now.
Maybe a combination of drinking and never having had a brother to play with/make wait/ or wait till they're finished. :)
My sister did try to kick my ass and got a spanking after I accidentally deleted her snes Super Mario World save by accident.
In hindsight I can understand why she felt the way she did, lol.
Going just as far down memory lane for us old folks, I used to preorder games, paying the exact same amount as a regular release day copy of the game, and still get decent swag.
Still have my old, faded, white Tomb Raider 3 t shirt from 1998. And the even more faded black Resident Evil 3 Nemesis t shirt from 1999.
Look, some people still want physical and selling out still happens. When BOTW released I couldn't find a single copy in the entire city and that taught me to always pre-order if I really want a game 🤷♀️ But I wouldn't pre-order all games, just things that seem like safe bets and that I'd buy on release day anyway, no matter whether I pre-order or not. The pre-order simply means I get it delivered to my doorstep (often for a better price) instead of driving into town. I don't see the benefit of not pre-ordering if you know you want a game.
I agree wholeheartedly, but that's still an issue in this day and age for certain games. For example, I'll always pre-order for niche NIS or Atlus games. And being from a smaller city, they sometimes only get 1 copy of the game, and it's the one I pre-ordered.
In that outlier case, that makes sense. For the vast majority of COD/Assassins Creed/FIFA players, a pre-order makes no sense.
I am close to 100% agreement, but believe it or not, games absolutely still sell out. I got a Switch for my birthday this year and wanted to get two games in particular (Octopath Traveler was one, I don't remember which the other was). They were both completely sold out at game stop. I don't like to download digitally, I would much rather have a physical disk in case anything happens to my Nintendo/PS/etc account.
So if you're wanting to play a very highly anticipated game the day that it comes out (and don't care if you are getting a good game really, because you'd play it either way) it's not a bad thing to pre-ordered.
As a gaymer I feel conflicted. I refuse to preorder games...but man, a dick in my mouth would be pretty sweet!
Are they actually sweet? Sorry, I'm a straight guy so I don't know.
My wife says they are high in sugar...
A gaymer and into wwe where have you been my whole life
But now you get to play the game 4 days earlier. sometimes without even the day 1 patch! Incentives!
Love Reddit's constant complaining about pre-orders, but at the same time defend the ones they personally want to pre-order. Everyone who pre-orders a game they personally don't like is an idiot, but pre-ordering Smash Bros is perfectly ok and totally doesn't make them sound like hypocritical turds that shout the same gaming circlejerk over and over.
Fuck off. People aren't helpless idiots that don't know the value of their own money just because you're a helpless idiot. You can research any game weeks or even months before release these days. Early copies going out to content makers, floor showings, interviews, and so on. It's not that hard to find out if a game is for you or not even before you get your hands on it. Pre-ordering allows you download the game early so you aren't downloading 50+ gigs on launch day, which is a pretty huge factor if you have a limited connection, data, or just live with people who stream all of their shows and movies. Then there's added bonuses like art or the soundtrack, if you care about those things. And in rare case the game was falsely advertised all the way up to launch day (Fable, No Man's Sky), you can still refund it.
What's funny is if you preorder a physical copy, you can cancel whenever you want.
Even if it comes out you can still cancel.
And if it's unopened you can return it within 30 days at most places.
If it's a steam game you bought on steam you can return it if you've played less than 2 hours.
You can also just not pre-order it, then you don't have to cancel it. And the returning thing works either way.
I pre-ordered my first game ever a month ago and I felt so weird doing it. But to be fair it's Kingdom Hearts 3, a game I've been waiting over a decade for and would buy even if it came out that it was a huge pile of shit.
Yeah, at this point, those of us that are super invested in the story are gonna pre-order it regardless of how it turns out. It’s been 13 years since the last numbered title, after all.
So much story has been filled in during those 13 years though. So many incredible games came out during that 2001-2003 period. It's weird thinking that's how old FFX and Dark Cloud 2 are.
It's almost as if people pre-order based on trust established by the developers and not based on blind faith.
...with some exceptions.
Unless it's Smash Ultimate for that piranha plant, which is half the reason to get the game
You don't have to preorder to get pirhana plant...
Tbh you dont even get the character yet so is really a preorder bonus?
It's basically just a DLC character without paying for the fighter pass.
No Man's Sky.
I pre-ordered it the day before release to get the free ship. Still a mistake.
You should check it out now, it's probably much closer to what you thought it would be in its current state.
I did. I think there was a disconnect between what the game was advertised as, what I thought it was, and what it was. There just doesn't seem to be any purpose to what you're doing.
Kindof like minecraft but somehow less appealing even if it's technologically more impressive.
... But... I got a die-cast ship, at least.
That means it was worth it, right?
I don't understand the ire. Pre-ordering is no different than day 1 purchasing. And fully refundable if reviews come out.
What if I wanted a big dick in my mouth.
Can we just make the top comment one about not including Nintendo?
Except you're not committed to anything. Pre-orders are 5 dollar 100% refundable deposits towards a game. Amazes me how many people just ignore that you can fucking cancel them anytime.
And if you do it via Amazon, you don't get charged until it ships.
But...but muh false narrative!
Well you can preorder anything from Santa Monica, NaughtyDog or Insomniac and you will not be disasppointed.
I feel like preorders started back in the day when there was limited supply and if you didn't preorder then you weren't getting the game or whatever on release day. That's not true anymore but a lot of people missed the memo. Guys, you don't need that in game skin that you'll replace 10 mins into the game, just don't
I pre-order online so the game just shows up at my house on release day. Never at a store i have to physically actually go to though.