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I think it's cool that you're rippin on yourself and not someone else. I feel most ppl would bury this but you post it... Good for you!
I honestly was pissed at myself, but I am just a shit driver, been driving for a year now, 3 months with license
You have a lot to learn young one. Glad you made it out safely and hope there isn’t much damage.
*not much damage
To the car!
Those grapes though!
Not the wine!
Don't whine damn it
(low quality joke for the win... and now were dead. EFFICIENCY)
FR though. Damn vines are beyond expensive
Someone is going to wake up sober and very grumpy!
I've gone off roads like this many times in both summer and winter. Odds are the car is completely fine, maybe stuck.
Main difference is I went into corn fields and not grapes.
Source: raced with friends on private farm roads. Someone always goes off
It's a Hyundai. From personal experience you could sneeze on them and be amazed how much body damage can be done.
NOW THATS (not) A LOT OF DAMAGE
I mean if you're gonna have two sets may as well go summer and winter and get Max grip all year round, or if you're going to go all season, get softer compound tires.
I've done all permutations of this. This is what I've learned:
Winter tires are awesome on snow and ice, but usually fall apart quickly on dry pavement and/or in warm weather. Being able to zip around corners on sun-polished ice is nice, but it only happens a few days a year.
All-season tires are awesome never. Really. They're just OK at all times.
Summer tires are awesome when it is hot out, rain or shine. But when the weather gets cool (not even snowy or frozen), they're useless. But some of them do well-enough at digging through snow.
For my climate (NW Ohio, which is very flat country), I settled on all-seasons all year. I hate myself for doing it, but as I get older I don't care about pulling 1G+ on a roundabout in July and I'm happy enough to slow right the fuck down for when the roads turn to ice.
And most winter driving isn't on ice or snow where I am, since the roads get plowed and salted pretty quickly. Usually, it's a dry salt-covered road. I need the grip of a fresh set of Blizzaks almost never, and they wear out fast on that dry pavement.
So while it was fun pulling that Saturn out of a ditch with a tow strap on a very icy road that one time with my little E36 (and you should've seen their faces!), for my particular climate I'm really not particularly interested in winter tires anymore.
Because life happens, I've even spent a winter driving on summer tires. Maybe karma is my bitch because I always stop and help whenever I can to get folks un-stuck, but I've never been hung up in the snow or ice with this car and I've had it for almost a decade and a half, and I've never been one to restrict my driving habits based on weather.
If I lived north-er enough that road salt wasn't effective that a set of Blizzaks wouldn't wear out so fucking fast on the resultant dry pavement, I might change my mind.
I drove on blizzaks my first winter driving, then just kept all seasons the next year and I couldn't stand the unpredictability of the all season in the cold (central ohio) the blizzaks did wear out quickly but I was able to get them replaced under my tire shops wear and tear gurantee.
Oh, to be sure: Blizzaks on my car were boring. Especially with 80 pounds of kitty litter in the back, over the rear axle.
But they were so boring that even donuts on a snowy night weren't fun anymore.
Predictable, though: Yes. Absolutely. I just don't think they're worth the money for the roads that I drive on because they wear out so fast on them (and I'm averse to doing warranty claims).
A boon for safety, though. Boring is good.
I'm a spirited driver, but knowing that I wasn't gonna slide into a ditch kept my spirits high.
Why would you not make warranty claims? If a mfr guarantees tires for, let's say 50k miles and they wear out in 30k, why spend money out of your own pocket? I don't get that.
Exactly, I always say do you wear sneakers all winter? No, you usually put on winter boots. Boots for your feet, winter tires for your car.
When I was 16, when it first snowed my dad took me straight to an empty parking lot. I couldn’t believe how easy it was to slide and loose control. It helped so much
Take no offense to anything. This is a general reply.
Videos are best for this.
Controlling a front end skid is similar-ish but will feel a bit different. Controlling a rear end skid needs the opposite response for FWD and RWD. Most AWD systems, except for very high performance cars and supercars, are front biased. So treat them like a FWD for skid control. It won't feel the same, though. Play with one in an empty snowy parking lot to get used to it. Actually, do that with any car at the start of snow season.
Keep in mind that in general FWD will understeer, RWD will oversteer, and AWD will usually understeer.
In general, NEVER hit the brakes so hard that you lock your tires. If your front tires aren't spinning then you have zero steering. If you lack ABS then use threshold braking but never keep your brakes pressed in so that you lock your tires.
Look where you want to go. It might sound strange but your body will subconsciously move the vehicle where ever you're looking. Avoid target fixation. Never stare at the thing that you don't want to hit. Look at the opening. Look at the solution.
If you're trying to turn then don't go full lock to either side. Your tires will be so sideways that they'll shovel forward and not grip and therefore not turn. The steering wheel will be fully to one side and you'll go straight. In the snow you need to turn the wheel less in order to turn the vehicle more.
There are a bunch of 4WD systems. Know which one you have if you have one. Some have a process that you need to go through in order to actually engage the front wheels. It's not as simple as moving the lever of the transfer case to 4HI or 4LO.
If you have part time 4WD then remember this - NEVER engage 4WD when you're on a surface where the tires cannot slip. The TL;DR of this is that there is no center differential so the vehicle is going to try to move the front and back tires at the same speed but turns require the front and back to move at different speeds. This can break your driveline.
Find an empty parking lot or off shift delivery depot and start practicing threshold braking, controlling a skid, and generally get a feel for how your car moves in thr snow.
But the single best tip for driving in snow is get real winter tires. No all seasons. Get cheap steel wheels with winter tires mounted on them. The difference is massive.
But the single best tip for driving in snow is get real winter tires.
Just want to add that if you want grip when there's a layer of snow over the ice, studless tires are not much better than all season tires. Studs on the other hand still work. They're not allowed everywhere so that's something you want to keep in mind though.
First winter with a license spun down a large ice covered hill and almost took out a mail truck. To my defense it was black ice but embarrassing none the less. Also my car needed an air freshener for awhile cause i definitely shit my pants.
Check your tire tread depth! This might be more to do with bald tires thank you think!
this is probably just a matter of driving all-season tires on snow combined with being 1st year driver and driving a hyundai in inclement weather.
add it all up and you get this. it's not that he's an idiot.. it's that he's inexperienced and working with less-than-adequate hardware in less-than-optimal road conditions. I would bet almost anything that those are all-season tires... and probably not even NICE all-seasons.. it's a hyundai, so the same consumer traits that lead a family to buy that car likely also lead them to buy cheap/shitty tires.
tires are a big deal. I get being budget-conscious and buying an economy car, but it seems like people who buy super economy vehicles also buy super cheap tires. no good.
Also it's front wheel drive so once he went into a skid and probably panic brakes he was screwed. On rwd you might be able to save it but it's difficult if you haven't practiced.
We are supposed to have a bad storm tomorrow and my car tires are pretty much completely worn but we don’t have the time to change them. Hopefully college is cancelled tomorrow lol.
It's college. Cancel it yourself.
Take alternate transportation, for example, ride with a buddy, take public transportation, take a taxi. Or skip. One day missed probably isn't going to hurt you, and there will surely be many others skipping too.
Agreed with the others. If the storm is as bad as predicted, skipping won't do you as much harm as ending in the vineyard would.
Just remember the number 1 thing when driving.
Slow and steady doesn't crash into the vineyard.
Unless there's sheet ice, then you're going wherever the ice tells you to.
When it was time for me to drive in the snow for the first time, a friend of mine suggested I should go to an empty parking lot that was covered in snow and intentionally make the car spin out or lose control over and over again in order to learn the limits of the car. That way, when I was on a slippery road for real, I would be able to feel it coming and react in time.
Additional driving courses, or a bit of amateur karting will give you feeling if something goes wrong before it goes horribly wrong. Small advice: always try to be smooth with your inputs, especially steering wheel, smooth is fast on the track and save on the road.
Nobody was good driver from the beginning, and all of us still have a lot to learn.
Driving in the snow is something that you learn by doing. Don't be too hard on yourself. I've never ended up in the ditch, but I almost have... Multiple times. Learning how to get out of a snowy situation is key.
Just go slower. That will give you time to correct most beginner's mistakes. You went into the field this far because you were going too fast.
This is exactly right. I drive slow as shit in the snow. Give yourself plenty of room to stop. Dont make any sudden moves (turns, breaks, etc...). Just go slow, and dont think you have to go as fast as the jackass in the big truck who passes you, just let him pass and stay safe.
edit: Also, I love your car. My best friend drives a 2011 Elantra that looks exactly the same and love that little car. So comfortable!
First winter I had a license, I went to see my girlfriend in the middle of a blizzard. I pulled off the side street onto the main road, immediately spun out, and got stuck in a snow bank. We've all been there.
Honestly the best way I found to get better at driving in the snow is find a place like an empty parking lot or similar and practice losing control and correcting yourself. Just make sure it's completely empty be aware of your surroundings.
Just knowing that you’re still improving puts you way ahead of some of the new drivers. You have to get used to anticipating traffic and some of the more social parts of driving. I swear some people get their license and think they’re race car drivers cutting people off switching lanes without warning and all that
i'm subbed here but honestly i'm just waiting for the day i see my dumb ass driving on here.
Gonna be 100% honest here, if you can't drive a low power front wheel drive car in the snow then you have no business being on the road during weather like that. You may be in the vineyard right now, but you could have been in another lane causing a wreck too. Take it slow and learn to feel what your vehicle is doing before trying to go faster.
A first snowfall can be dangerous to even the most cautious driver.
Do yourself a huge favor and go to a empty parking lot and intentionally spin your car out of control. Obviously avoid things like poles but it will help you learn how to control your car in bad situations for the future
Remember when slipping, do not brake. Just slightly turn the wheel the opposite direction and then back to straight. You have seconds to determine whether it worked or you need to do it again. But that takes time to learn. You will get it. I actually found videos and then icy, empty parking lots and made my own simulations to learn, lol.
If it helps when I was that new it snowed and I did the same exact thing.
You must've really wanted to drink and drive... tsk tsk
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It happens to everyone at some point or another. I got myself stuck in a ditch my first week driving because I was a little too aggressive in some snow.
I like your name
Was just thinking this, lots of respect for OP. Mostly just ego damage atleast
There's still enough snow for the OP to bury himself
First snow day is always the worst. No residual treatment on the pavement from previous storms and winter driving skills are rusty. I always try to stay home on that first snow day if possible.
It's an annual tradition for me. I have a coffee shop I walk to, and spend all day at watching the crashes. It's next to a freeway offramp and there's a gigantic busy intersection right there. They are acclimated to the freeway speed, and exit and roll up to the icy/snowy [50 km limit] intersection doing about 80 km, like they do every other day when it's dry. If they catch the red light, they crash. Like clockwork.
You could probably get some mean karma if you were to record the mayhem and edit a a compilation.
That's great editing, the reveal on the second bus is perfect.
IIRC, it wasn't at the first snow and it was very slippery ice. You can tell they don't go down the hill because they're going fast, it's because their tires don't grip enough. It was before the mandatory day for everyone to get winter tires.
Most of them locked their wheels, no wonder they're sliding >:c
Also, kinky, the doubleteam on the worktruck by two nice big buses ;)
Oh come on a cop doesn't know how to not lock his wheels?
Aaaaand here comes the snowplow... wheels not turning...
I would have let them roll and try to steer through the wreck.
That one bus was just filming for the new movie Cold and Furious: Montreal Drift.
Yeah I'd give him a karma.
I would give gold for that.
I learned something interesting last year. EVERYONE says 'it's like nobody knows how to drive when it snows.' I must hear that 10 times a day when it first snows. I always thought it meant that (because I see it all the time) people severely underestimate the loss of traction and just continue driving like nothing has changed and that's why so many crash. No. At least half of the people saying that mean they are angry at the people driving carefully around corners and such. It's at least half. I was totally amazed we could be looking at the same shit going down and have totally opposite opinions about what the problem was. I felt like a floridian voter that day.
does everyone clap when a car crashes?
I have seen the trucks spraying roads before it starts snowing, but it has rained quite a bit in southern Ontario. Time to buy some tires.
But then you go out into your first day snow being more rusty than those on day 2, right?
I personally believe that when people learn how to drive in places that get snow should take the time to go a parking lot when it snows and really feel how a car reacts when it breaks traction. Drivers ed might teach you how to deal with it in a classroom but it's no substitute for actually feeling it. The first winter that I started driving my dad took me to an empty parking lot after it snowed and showed me how to correct the car when it breaks traction. Doing that a couple of times has definitely saved me on the road a few times because when shit hits the fan, you don't have time to think about what you need to do, and that allowed me to just do it naturally. And at the end of the day there is no getting around the need for good rubber, that is going eliminate your chances of things like this happening by a large margin. As long as you learn from this as a new driver and don't ignore it like most other people driving around in the snow and you will be fine.
Can't second this enough. Doing snownuts safely is a good way to learn your and your car's limits, although some cops don't take kindly to it in public lots. It's awfully specific, but ice racing is also superb and immensely fun. It's a controlled environment and easily where I learned just how little it takes to spin out even with as slow as our racing was.
I’ve been driving a Jeep with all terrain tires that HATE water. A light mist can throw my car into a spin. But at least I’m insanely confident now of my car ever oversteers.
I've never understood people that drive around with mudders on their jeeps all the time. They're bad at literally everything except mud, and yet people drive them on the street 24/7 because they look cool, i guess? Why don't you get tires that are actually useful for the conditions you encounter?
For your sake and for all others on the road, please try to get a different/better tire that can handle poor conditions better. They can be the difference between life and death.
Just remember, you can practice all you want and become a pro at driving on ice/snow. You can even run studded snow tires if your state allows them (your summer tires will last so much longer if you do this.)
However, I feel you should pay extra close attention to other cars and anything moving on the road in these conditions. Don't even mess with the radio at all. All it takes is some new driver, to end it all.
I'm all for learning to drive in the stuff. I do the same any time I get a new vehicle/tires. It is fun to play in an empty parking lot, but try some real scenarios...dont just do donuts. Even if you drive defensively, shit is unpredictable some times. Do you slow down or speed up when you see an oncoming car lose control around a corner? Both could be right or wrong.
I don't mind being stuck behind someone going 10mph in a shitty car when it's 40 degrees out. As long as they're not tapping their brakes repeatedly. Drive safe out there people, I think we'll get more ice than snow this year.
But it is done, you go to a special low traction track to practise. You learn how to control a skid, how to do heavy breaking in icy conditions and so on. At least here in Finland.
In a lot of the USA you sit through a 1-2 hours class, then you drive around for about 2-10 minutes with the DMV guy, then you have your license as long as you didn't hit anyone and didn't mess up the parallel park.
Maybe it just felt like it, but I swear that when I got my licence (in Sweden, 16 years ago), my driving test was 20 minutes or so. Oh, and yes, Sweden also has you going on a test drive at a special slippery course.
Yeah, my memory of my driving test in Scotland felt like it only lasted 10 mins. That was 20 years ago and had to do a theory part too. Though I had had a motorbike for a couple of years so was comfortable with driving on the road and had done enough hours to be confident in my control of the vehicle too.
I live in South Dakota, I didn't get proper snow lessons in drivers education (in the summer), my father also took me to a parking lot when it snowed.
I wish that was the case in the USA, our climate is so varied that some people have only driven in snow once or twice. We tend to get a lot of new people moving to this area, which is always worrisome on the road.
That is how we do it here in Norway. Everyone taking license have to go through a slippery driving course.
Well, that's just grape
This is the one
His insurance is really going to grape him over this
Wait til someone drives your way, sees that you have crashed, starts panicking, hits the breaks and slides right into your car. Don't forget photo of that as well!
You joke.. but I was hit from behind on my motorcycle at relatively low speeds, but I will still knocked off and bike damaged.
As we wait for the police... 4 seperate rear enders happen as everyone rubber necked past us.
The cop's first words out of his mouth were.. "what the fuck happend here?"
Outside of Nashville, TN, there's a massive 5/5 interchange. I got into a minor scrape when I merged into a lane from the left at the same time as someone else did so from the right. Light damage, I lost a piece of cosmetic plastic off my door.
However! While we were waiting on the side of the road, two more crashes occur with one of them being a Camaro rear-ending a work truck. Iirc, the Camaro was totaled because it wedged under the truck, damaging the radiator, engine block, and possibly the frame.
I'm not sure it was rubbernecking in this case; I think it's just that the road is too big and congested.
Nice snow tires.
The number of 4 x 4 trucks I saw in ditches every winter ...
It’s 4 wheel drive, not 4 wheel stop
Yep, and they are heavier too. Those transfer cases weigh quite a bit. Stiffer suspension makes their tire grip loosen on bumps, as well. But mostly over-confidence is the culprit.
it's overconfidence followed by realizing they fucked up, which leads into MASHING the piss out of the brakes. if they were just moderately confident and moderated speed without use of brakes to a slow/cautious speed, most any vehicle would be fine in up to 4" of standing powder on public roads.
I was real proud of my wife:
I was passenger and she started sliding sideways. I told her foot off the gas and no braking. Car straitened out, and she smiled so big. Never even driven in snow before.
Less snow is more dangerous than deep snow. Few inches just moves out of the way of wheels. Over a foot and it gives you some resistance to help you stop
All cars have 4 wheels of stopping power...
That's the point. People think 4 wheel drive cars do better stopping in the snow. They don't.
Had an ex who was driving a 4x4 down an icy hill, and naturally couldn't stop and went up onto the curb. Her dad started yelling at her when he found out saying "how could you let this happen? It's a 4x4, you must have been driving poorly". It was then that I realized this man was an idiot.
Put it in reverse to stop, duh
Just gota drive like you are playing asteroids.
4 wheel drive just lets you get stuck in worse places...
This always gets said but I seriously never see it. Maybe it's because I drive a truck and I'm not looking for trucks stuck in ditches so I can talk about it on Reddit, but the common denominator is that it's almost always a beater, which the owner probably put the shittiest used tires they could find on.
At least you didn’t go into a watermelon vineyard.
Landmine vineyards are the worst.
You made it out ok and car doesn't seem to damaged. Not much to wine about..
I see what you did there pa
In New Brunswick, Canada we got a few inches of snow in the early morning, which promptly turned to rain at 7:20am exactly and froze instantly. This all happened within my daily commute which normally takes 20 minutes, today it took 50 minutes because the university is on a hill and nobody could make it up!
Everyone talking about cars and what you should do differently...tires are definitely a big help but I drive a 2012 Mustang year round. I’ve never had problems driving through snow/ice. Just takes practice man. If you think you’re going slow enough you’re probably wrong. Just know the momentum you need for some things and when to really slow down. Or worse just don’t go out that day. Work or anything else isn’t worth your life. I drive semi trucks for a living and every winter a see a bad accident that could’ve been prevented. Good it was only your ego that got hurt!
If you practice enough you can hit a pedestrian in your Mustang precisely even in snow.
every winter a see a bad accident
Just one ?
I plan on moving to the North in the future, and driving under snowy conditions already makes me feel anxious (I’m from Florida). Also black ice, don’t want to experience that.
As a massachusetts resident and someone who drives a rear wheel drive car (even in snow) there are a few tips. Accelerate slow, know how to control slides, learn when to brake, when not to brake, how to brake, learn how to compensate and correct. I highly reccomend going to a desserted parking lot (snow or ice filled) and just sliding a bit to get some practice. Honestly as long as you keep calm and breatbe then remember what you need to do. You may prevent something like this, but honestly it happens to every one sometime or another.
same state and drivetrain, i'd also recommend winter tires. my car was basically useless in any snow without tires. i couldn't move out of first without being at least 20 degrees sideways 5 feet later.
Isn't it mandatory in the US to have proper tires for the conditions? It always boggles my mind when I see videos from other countries and people are trying to drive in the snow with summer tires, only to slide around and into the ditch or other things. Here in Norway, you'll lose your license if you drive with summer tires in snowy conditions.
Most people in the US have "all season" tires. That's it. There also isn't much of the US that gets anywhere near as much snow as you do in Norway. There are parts of the US that have never gotten snow or it might snow once in a few year period as some freak thing. The US is a very large place.
Central Californian here. It snows once every ten years here. Our lows in "winter" are 40 and highs 75. If that's isn't enough perspective I used to year round daily drive a sport bike comfortably.
Also a very important tip : Get winter tyres.
In a nutshell, drive like you have no brakes.
If it's icy out you can just assume there's black ice and drive accordingly. People over hype black ice, it's just ice so it's all the same. Pay attention to the weather if it warms up and cools down that's the most dangerous time to drive because of the ice.
Stop way before you need to and then roll up to where you have to be. Drive slow and leave a big distance from the car in front of you. Pay attention and drive slow, unlike summer you can't be distracted on icey conditions. If your car starts to go sideways take your foot off the gas and hold the wheel in the direction your going. The car will snap back and you can reapply the gas gently. On turns kill all your momentum and then accerated gently around the corner.
Paying the attention the whole time is the most important part.
I think the problem with black ice is it's hard to see. So people are driving thinking the roads are great... Then suddenly, they're not. It's always good to just expect it to be there all the time. Winter is safe driving mode! :)
PA resident here. It's not bad if you take a day to go out to an empty parking lot and practice losing control. It's pretty simple but if you've never experienced it then you won't know what to do. After a few slides in a parking lot you get the hang of it. I recommend driving in a circle until you can't easily turn, then get yourself out of it. I also recommend hitting your brakes while turning. There will be times when you're going up a hill and next thing you know you're sliding backwards, riding it out is sometimes the only thing you can do. Respect nature cause it doesn't have any respect for our wimpy human selves.
The best advice I can offer is to drive slowly, no matter how many fuckheads go barreling past you in their trucks to show everyone how big their tiny dicks are. Even if other people start passing you, don't worry about them, just focus on the road itself.
Be careful, black ice can sneak up on you and rob you of your balance
To add to other tips: Don't underestimate how long it's going to take you to stop. Your car will slide further than you think if you're going 35 and a light catches you (or more accurately the car in front of you) by surprise.
Where in PA is this?
Cant you tell from the grapes...
Thought it might have been Ripley NY haha-- not too far off!
I fucking knew it!!
Called it. That PA plate and that vineyard on flat terrain, had to be NE.
I knew it! Born and raised. Happy snowy season!
Time for snow tyres
If you suck at driving and live somewhere that snows a lot during the winter you might want to invest in a set of winter tires. For the small price of around 600 dollars in tires for that specific car, avoid those pesky deductables and insurance increases. I see winter tires as another insurance policy.
What does a grape say when you run over it? Nothing, it just gives a little wine.
How did u lose controll it looks like straight road ? Too much speed ? Bad tires ?
See those grooves in the snow? Drivers will cross over them, feel it pull the tiny tires and overcorrect while hitting the brakes. Usually happens when changing lanes or making a pass, but it can happen from just not paying attention too.
I see too many people driving around with bald all season or summer tires and it’s always them sliding and crashing up here in Canada. I put winters on all my vehicles the beginning of November. Some times earlier if it’s been cold enough.
It’s just “vineyard.” Saying it’s a “grape vineyard” is redundant.
What did I tell ya about speeding, Tony!?
Where are your snow tires?
I wonder what's the raisin you crashed?
There's no need to wine about it...
In canada, if we see snow, we go slow.
hey not bad! first day of snow here, and i rolled my car haha. shit happens.
Quit your wineing
I would find a snowy empty parking lot and "drift around" not like Tokyo drift style, but it's very beneficial to learn how to control your car in a slide.
The trick with driving hyundai Elantras (at least 2002) in the snow is either slowly try to regain steering by giving the car slow steering input, or hidden right next to the gear shift...
When you're trying to turn and that car just wants to keep sliding straight turn in the direction you wanna go slowly, that should give you steering back.
If that doesn't work grab the secret magic lever (the e-brake) start to turn in the direction you want and RIP the brake a couple of times. Youll have to correct to the opposite when you start sliding. When your back end is in line with your front give it gas to correct and you'll stop sliding and be going the way you want to go. Practice in a parking lot though.
Source: I drive my elantra to ski resorts ftw
to be honest, who doesn't take the chance when the roads are covered in snow or ice to use their handbrake to do a sick li'l drift? Cause I do.
I heard it....
Is this your first post? ;)
The car knows you need wine. Thank goodness it didn't head straight for the nearest liquor store.
This is every road when the south gets any sort of snow. We freak out at the idea of snow.
Is there such a thing as a non-grape vineyard?
Drive slower in the snow. Don't slam the brakes. Car will not turn off youre on the brakes in snow. So like if you're about to run into a pole try to turn before hitting the brakes
Don't feel too bad. Just remember the first snow is always dangerous because the ground is still warm. The snow melts when it lands on the road then freezes back into icey slush.
I'm an ok driver with a pickup truck and good tires and I almost lost it myself on Grubb road last night on a patch of black ice. Bridges really do freeze first apparently.
Invest in studded tires. I used to have a 2 wheel drive truck that may as well have been a death machine in the snow. I put studs on it and survived many Edinboro winters after that.
Might want to blur out your license plate.
It’s going to be a looooonnng winter