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Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist quoted in the article, used to work for the New York Medical Examiner's Office in 2001 and was one of the medical examiners who processed the bodies from the World Trade Center on and after 9/11. She's seen some shit.
I read her book a couple of years ago. It was a very good read.
I did the Forensic Medicine Elective at NYU and got to work with her and other Medical examiners.
Those people are fucking badass, and (I think appropriately) not affected by working with blood/dead bodies.
"Here is a picture of a bruised brain of a 2 month baby"
They were all so comfortable with things that would make 99.9% of people squeamish (including other doctors)
My brother did surgery for 24 hrs straight after the Las Vegas shooting. He was already on call so that night he was up for close to 40 hrs, taking power naps in between the cases on the floor of the hospital. (He is a neurosurgeon) On that night he had 8 cases. Was only able to save one.
My brother is.....an incredibly strong person and extremely professional doc and he never speaks about his job in an emotional way.
This was the one case he shared the progress of the patient with the family when she took her first steps after skull replacement surgery he conducted.
She texted him on Xmas last year thanking him for saving her life.
These doctors for sure are staying in “their lane" when they mention shooting and the effect of it.
ETA: typos, clarifications
Well I believe the one he saved is my friend , so thank god for your brother. I went to high school with her and she is alive today because of a neurosurgeon. Could of been another one but either way this world is lucky to have people as skilled as him.
Edit: took out her name
My cousin was killed in that shooting. They got her to the hospital where she died... I wonder if your brother was working on her.
God Bless your brother...
Mother of god, how can a person pull off 40 hours??your brother is a damn superhuman.
Adrenaline. And when you're on your feet it's a lot more difficult to feel tired/sleepy. Any time I catch myself dozing off I'm usually sitting/laying down as well as bored/disinterested. I don't think he had either of those going on at the moment.
Edit: More difficult to feel tired, not less, ha. Surprised no one caught it. I am on reddit, right?
Not a doctor, but military:
Over a career, you build up a tolerance of leaning into it. You just sort of do it; partly because you have to, partly because you've got adrenaline and caffeine, and partly because you've done it before. ("Aight, Kysimir, you've done 32 hours before. Let's go you fuck.")
That said, I can't imagine doing fucking neurosurgery on caffeine highs (or at all, lol), so that dudes power naps or his ability to function on a deficit is seriously fucking impressive.
No doubt he was exhausted by the end of it. Working in a busy ER you have no time to think about how tired you are. Shit is hectic as fuck and opened my eyes to how amazing some of these surgeons are. Serious heroes there. Actual heroes saving lives under intense pressure.
Something that blew me away when I did some ER work was the simplicity of some of the tools these guys use. It’s basically power tools and hammers. I’ve seen a surgeon absolutely whack a guy with a hammer he was working on and blood splurted seriously about 30 feet across the room. I couldn’t get over it.
I had to have my arm rebroken to reset and recast it (compound fracture that was not straight after the final cast) They literally just snap it after they knock you out. From what my mom said the doctors told her. They had to put smelling salts under my nose when they told me what we had to do. I was 12 and tried to flee the room haha. It was at Darnell Army Hospital in Texas... so that was part of it. No nonsense orthopedic doctors. They were all mean except one guy named Ace. He was awesome.
Yup I’ve seen them do stuff where I’m thinking to myself well that must be doing more harm than good but then I hold their trays and understand that they went to school forever and know what they’re doing. Shit can get pretty ghetto though. Also yeah surgeons can be dicks for sure but the ones that care and go above and beyond to make those around them comfortable are truly admirable and are 100% heroes in my book. It’s a stressful environment so having someone respectful, calm and reassuring is so important in that room. Super important if you have new staff. I’m a dude that never ever fainted in my life and I caught myself twice in my first few shifts there. Always thought I was tough and could handle a bit of blood. Way different in person believe me. Weird looking at it now though I could shower in blood and it not phase me. That sounds normal right?
I think surgeons have to be some What socially disconnected. I get along with most of the surgeons I have had since adult hood. 12 year old me couldn’t take the directness we got at the time.
I was warned by my oncologist that the surgeon needed to do my craniotomy was the best but people complained about his bed side manner. He was ex military and 100% business. Best surgeon I have ever had and hilarious. He is the reason my face still works but my tumor is gone. :)
My surgeon had to remove my right femur from my guts where it was playing swizzle stick alongside fragments of my pelvis. He's not mean, but he's egotistical. I had a roughly 2% chance to survive, so I don't really have a problem with that lol.
Orthopedics is basically carpentry
That is an insane amount of time. Doctors are literally superheroes. (As we know, but sometimes it starts fading to the back of the mind so it's good to be reminded)
Edit: I said literally, and I mean literally. Yes, of course, doctors are people too, and therefore flawed. Some more than others. It's possible we have different ideas of what it takes to be a superhero.
I know I couldn't do it. If one person died under my care, I'd hate myself.
You can do all of the right things, and follow the guidelines perfectly; sometimes a patient can be too unwell to bring back.
That one fucking Scrubs episode where Cox loses three patients because he gave them organs from a rabies patient... ;_; So, Fucking, Real. "My Lunch" IIRC
The 4th episode of season 1 of Scrubs is what sold me on the show. Each of the characters (JD, Turk, Elliot) has a patient, and at the start there's something about how the odds of dying in a hospital are 1 in 3 so the premise is one of them is going to lose a patient.
All 3 lose their patients, and I was sold on the show's weight.
Apparently Scrubs is the most medically accurate and realistic of the medical shows out there. I can’t find it now but I think there was a survey of people in the medical field.
They also used real doctors and surgeons as consultants to make sure things were fairly accurate.
My mother who is a dermatologist said this many times. It captures what working in a hospital is like better than almost any other show.
I wanted to be a medical doctor growing up. Scrubs convinced me I didn't have the courage. Between the jokes and drama that show was brutally fucking honest about how hard that life is.
The one where the green(?) infection was passed in the end...
This was the one case he shared the progress of the patient with he family especially when she took her first steps after skull replacement surgery he conducted.
She texted him on Xmas last year thanking him for saving her life.
Wow, I feel terrible for your brother that he had to go through that, but this is so heartwarming I cried, your brother is a true hero.
The NRA knew this was doctors’ “lane” when they supported a (now overturned) law in Florida to restrict doctors, mostly pediatricians, from discussing guns and gun safety with their patients and patients’ families.
That's terrifying. Pediatricians are trained to give a lot of anticipatory guidance around general safety concerns. To say we can't discuss gun safety with families means the family telling us about how their kid with ADHD is getting into everything we can't also discuss tactics to help make sure a gun isn't one of those things. It also means if we're talking to a kid with suicidal ideation and trying to make a safety plan for them going home, minimizing gun access can't be part of that plan.
You'd think basic steps to minimize gun related deaths would be in the NRAs best interest.
You'd think basic steps to minimize gun related deaths would be in the NRAs best interest.
I watch this debate unaffected from across the oceans, but it always seemed like highlighting the threat of someone else harming / killing you was the main way to get people to buy more guns.
Nothing does that better than having a few people actually get killed in this manner.
That's one of the dirty little secrets of the gun lobby -- mass shootings increase their share prices.
Mandating what kind of safety advice your doctors are allowed to talk about. "Party of small government"
"Hmmm, I see you live near the Everglades. If I were allowed, I'd mention the risk of letting your child play alone by a swamp known to be frequented by alligators. But the National Exotic Leather Association says I cannot talk to you about possible dangers. Clorox has prevented me from telling you to keep bleach out of your kids' hands. The water department sats I can't say anything about limiting the temperature control on your water heater. And the car companies have shut me up about carseats, seatbelts and advising against your kid going for a stroll on the freeway. Good luck out there."
So to sum it all up, the NRA is anti-first amendment (literally trying to suppress the freedom of speech) and pro-second amendment. Cool.
NRA on Second Amendment: SEE? IT'S WRITTEN HERE! IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION! LOOK AT IT! SEE? SEE?
IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION
THIS IS ABOUT LIBERTY AND AMERICAN RIGHTS
NRA on First Amendment: lol what's that
Yeah doctors, don't talk about your job!!
"Waterboarding is how we baptise terrorists" sounds like a line in a south park episode or something.
What do Middle-Eastern religious fundamentalists and American religious fundamentalists have in common?
Way, way more than they will ever realize, including their need of the "other" as an enemy, to justify their own existence and entire way of life.
They even worship the same god
Emphasis on this part! It's the same God that came to Abraham, and they even believe in Jesus.
I don't know where some people came up with the idea that muslims are literal devil worshippers, and that the whole intent of Islam is to destroy "America" or "Western civilization".
It's the same God that came to Abraham, and they even believe in Jesus
I found what I thought was one of those children's bible stories books once... only all the names were different. But it had about 90% of the bible stories I was taught as a kid. Turned out it was a book of children's Q'ran stories but Christianity and Islam share so much common ground they were virtually identical except for the names. It was like it had been through a localisation team.
Hmm, you could make a decent buck translating bible stories between Christianity-English and Islam-Arabian. BRB, pitching my new business model.
Wow... no idea the NRA rewarded that crony for killing net neutrality. As a supporter of gun rights, f*ck the NRA.
I own guns, I have hated the NRA for a very long time. I do not think their brand of craziness is at all related to healthy gun ownership.
Same. Growing up (several decades ago) the NRA was all about hunting safety, sportsmanship, and things like that. Everyone I knew, including me, had their NRA membership cards.
The NRA of today is nothing like the NRA of the past. I full support the 2nd amendment but I can't stand the NRA now. Their magazines these days are nothing but political vitriol directed at Democrats and Liberals.
Same here. Very much a pro 2a person but I despise the NRA.
If all pro gun supporters would just drop the NRA and support the GOA we would be way better off.
Unfortunately it's all about branding. It will take a long time to overcome that, but it can be done
Like hell would I support the GOA, they throw in way too much other political bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I hold a few other perceived conservative values other than gun rights, but a Pro-2A org shouldn't be cramming other shit down our throats like hailing Christian superiority, and shitting on the beliefs of others who may support the same cause. All it does is push away people who be able to help. I'm Second Amendment Foundation and JFPO all the way.
President Trump asked Ajit Pai to liberate the internet, to give it back to you
points to Telecom CEOs
Years ago the NRA started blaming video games for gun violence. If it wasn’t obvious before, it became obvious then that they were absolutely full of shit. Game developers could have told the NRA to “stay in [their] lane” when that happened, but they didn’t. The NRA are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
The NRA’s lane is pretty much just selling fear. They just market guns. American trauma surgeons’ lane is pretty much patching bullet holes. Our doctors are probably like No. 1 in the world for that.
Not a doctor, but medical professional. Here's some things I've seen in the last few weeks at my hospital -
16y M steals his dad's gun, tries to kill himself in front of his family. Mother lunges for him as he puts the gun to his head, alters the shot. Boy shoots himself in the neck, paralyzed from the neck down for life. Parents have no health insurance, they are bankrupted.
30y F tries to put her gun into her waistband behind her back, accidentally pulls trigger, shoots herself in the ass, bullet goes through her ass cheek and into her calf.
17y F is shot in the ankle by her father, father was drinking and playing with the gun, dropped it, boom. Ankle completely shattered. She had a basketball full scholarship. Not anymore, thanks Dad!
25y F shot in the neck with a shotgun by her ex boyfriend for trying to run away from him after an argument. Ex goes to jail, patient goes into ICU, gets pneumonia, sepsis, RIP.
No illegal guns involved in any of this.
I'll never forget the dead 8 yo boy when I was rotating at the medical examiners office. Was upset because he was grounded and there was a gun left out in his living room by his dad. He was never old enough to know the permanence of that action.
That hurts a lot to read. Reminds me of a friends daughter to hung herself after an argument. 10 years old.
It's so pointless it hurts.
Jesus Christ that’s so tragic. A ten year old’s life is so open and not determined at all. Cutting it short is so fucked up.
It a long time ago, she would have been 19 this year. It's one of those memories that are so fucking painful I try to not think about it. Her mom pretty much gave up on life after that.
My best friend killed herself when we were 12. Her stepdad was molesting her and her mom refused to believe her. That was 26 years ago and I still think about how different her life could have been.
Why are there so many stories of parents refusing to believe their child is being abused by a stepparent, it's tragic to think someone cares more about maintaining a false image of a "good" person than their own child's safety.
Because it is easier to believe everything is okay or the fear of the truth or the perpetrator can be so great they can't manage it. People got issues to say the least.
The injustice suffered by that poor 12 year old goes far beyond anything I could ever imagine.
Sorry, but this just reminds me of the story last week.
this is just so crazy to read. and the fact that this isn't making headlines across your country even more so.
this is a very real example of the statistic that says owning a gun exponentially increases a person's likelihood of being shot.
Oh my gosh, the first one is my worst nightmare :( I cant even imagine what to do in that situation
Not much you can do in that situation unfortunately, I can't blame the mom for doing what she did cause there was no winning that situation.
Luckily, there's a lot that can be done before that though. Foster a healthy and open relationship with your kids, have them see you as the friend they can always run to, instead of the punisher they have to hide things from. Spend time with them, even if you don't have anything in common, just go do something they like (kinda hard to turn them down when it's free).
As for guns, if you don't have a way to responsibly keep them, don't buy them. But if you do (like my family), have a gun safe handy with passcodes nobody else knows (even if you bought them the gun for hunting or sport shooting or whatever). If you want to give your
(Edit: I realize now I'm an idiot and the phrasing is confusing most people. Please DO NOT give minors a gun, I used "kid" in the parent-child context, but had in mind a child who IS LEGALLY ALLOWED TO OWN ONE, please do respect the laws wherever you live and I say go even a step further, thinking long and hard for yourself if the person you're giving a gun to is physically, mentally, and emotionally prepared for the great burden that carrying a gun entails)
a gun for self-defence, make sure that they're well trained, and in good mental health, else the gun will be a bigger danger to them than any external threat.
yep lock your guns
that father who dropped their gun sounds like they're telling a story. it's exceedingly rare for a gun to be so poorly designed that it goes off from being dropped. far more likely he accidentally shot her. no dropping involved.
Yup. Pretty much every story of "I dropped it" or even better, "I was just cleaning it and it went off", should be read as "I was playing with the gun like it was a toy and I pulled the trigger with a loaded chamber"
Ugh. A girl that rented a room from my mom was killed by her boyfriend after she tried to leave him a month into dating him. He tried the "cleaning it and it went off" shit but he didn't account for the fact that his two young children were in the room and his poor 6 year old daughter had to testify about how her daddy was angry and shot a woman in the head right in front of her. He was recently convicted. He got a life sentence. Sorry that's not super relevant but it just amazes me that people use those bullshit excuses and false explanations so often.
Welcome to Taurus guns. They have a history of defects, and random firings when no one is touching the trigger, even when the safety is on.
They also tend to fire when dropped, as a startled police officer found out during a chase. According to some sources, they're also the most popular revolver in the country. To add to the fun, they can't even be recalled and replaced, because "mah guns", and everyone's favourite organisation, the NRA.
Edit: sorry, I meant "Can't be made to recall". Government can't force them to, so your subject to whether or not the gun manufacturer chooses to. Taurus often doesn't.
Yeah that's probably just the story the dad gave. What a fuck wit. So much for her basketball career.
Have you ever owned a Taurus? Fuckers go off if you shake it.
After seeing those picture, I simply will not fuck with doctors.
I had to look up the tweet to actually believe that it is real. That tweet by the NRA is one of the most tone-deaf things I have read in my life.
This is a smart, impactful, contribution to the debate on firearms. It's not a privacy violation, as the doctors/nurses have not in any way identified the patients, that I've seen. But their blood soaked hospital scrubs force you to confront the violence that these medical professionals deal with on a regular basis.
The NRA attacks doctors for asking for fewer shooting deaths, and there are still people commenting below that are defending the NRA on this matter.
No matter what your political association is. The NRA is 100% in the wrong here.
I'm a gun owner and advocate for 2A but the NRA are a bunch of assholes. They are just a radical mouthpiece for the GOP anymore. They should just stick to their core mission.
just stick to their core mission
You mean 'stay in their lane' :)
What their lane used to be
GOP after women push for the right to choose what to do with their bodies:
"Get back in your lane women!"
GOP after scientists prove that homosexuality is not a choice but demonstrated in 1,500+ different species:
"Get back in your lane biologists!"
GOP after 16 international science academies confirm human-caused climate change:
"Get back in your lane scientists!"
GOP after investigations into the Iraq invasion prove there are no weapons of destruction:
"Get back in your lane journalists!"
GOP after a debate moderator corrects a Republican candidate in making a live gaff during a debate:
"Get back in your lane, moderator!"
GOP after their newly elected President's claims are fact-checked by historians.
"Get back in your lane, historians!"
GOP after students contest gun laws and the routine shootings that have destroyed their lives:
"Get back in your lane students!"
GOP after multiple sexual assault survivors come out to contest the selection of an unstable new supreme court justice:
"I THOUGHT WE TOLD YOU TO GET BACK IN YOUR LANE, WOMEN!!"
GOP after doctors begin posting pictures of the casualties and impact of a gun-saturated society:
"Get back in your lane, doctors!"
GOP after white-supremacists, media trolls and conspiracy theorists openly support their candidates and causes:
"We are all of us entitled to our freedom of speech and opinion".
The GOP's lane is "pandering to someone's drunk racist uncle" and "embracing the idea that facts don't matter anymore," because apparently we don't need our political leaders to have informed opinions that make sense now.
What're you on about? Trump knows his stuff. Why, he's the smartest most bigliest brained stable genius in the history of the universe
While we're on the subject of the NRA and staying in one's lane, maybe they should stay the FUCK out of de-regulating the internet and not give their highest award* to the smarmy smiling fuck who wants to end net neutrality.
*I accidentally a word.
They might also want to rethink laundering 30 million dollars of Vlad Putin's money spent purchasing the Republican Party.
It sucks because they made themselves the face of 2nd Amendment protection but they're using that to make all gun owners look bad. They not only refuse to reach out to left wing individuals who are very pro-2a but actively attack them and stump for conservative policies that have zero to do with the 2a. They're making gun owners easier to demonize because of how stupid they are on everything besides 2a defense.
A pro-gun rights Democrat can get at best a D on their scorecard, while an anti-gun Republican like Hogan of Maryland gets a B.
My local Rep had an A rating from the NRA in a traditionally moderate to conservative district. Guess who won’t have a job when the new Congresspeople get sworn in?
Didn't Trump literally say "take the guns first, go through due process second"? Convenient how they have all forgotten that fact
Their ad campaigns have slowly gone from weird, to violent, to violently defending Trump. There was a Dana Loesch ad, filled with very violent innuendos, where she said that basically a liberal insurrection was destroying America and the only way you could prevent them from doing so was to buy guns and join the NRA to fight them off.
They use their media to assassinate real news. They use their schools to teach children that their president is another Hitler. They use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows and award shows to repeat their narrative over and over again. And then they use their ex-president to endorse “the resistance.”
All to make them march. Make them protest. Make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia. To smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and airports, bully and terrorize the law-abiding — until the only option left is for the police to do their jobs and stop the madness.
And when that happens, they’ll use it as an excuse for their outrage. The only way we stop this, the only way we save our country and our freedom, is to fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth.
I’m the National Rifle Association of America. And I’m freedom’s safest place.
Now, they've gone from that ad that basically calls for bearing arms against protesters and "liberal" organizations like schools, to just defending Trump straight-out.
We are witnesses to the most ruthless attack on a president, and the people who voted for him, and the free system that allowed it to happen in American history. From the highest levels of government, to their media, universities and billionaires, their hateful defiance of his legitimacy is an insult to each of us.
But the ultimate insult is that they think we’re so stupid that we’ll let them get away with it. These saboteurs, slashing away with their leaks and sneers, their phony accusations and gagging sanctimony, drive their daggers through the heart of our future, poisoning our belief that honest custody of our institutions will ever again be possible. So they can then build their utopia from the ashes of what they burned down. No, their fate will be failure and they will perish in the political flames of their own fires.
We are the National Rifle Association of America. And we are freedom’s safest place.
”Most ruthless attack on a president?” Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, and Reagan might disagree.
“The most ruthless attack on a president and the people who voted for him”
Yes, because apparently all the shit with Obama’s birth certificate, him and his family being secret deep state muslim plants to disrupt America, his wife being a man, his kids being fake actors etc etc etc.
Yeah, obviously no president before good Ol’ Bonespurs in Chief was ever “attacked” before.
It's not an attack if what you're saying is true. The idea is that somehow none of the criticism of Trump is true, but all criticism of all non GOP members is. Isn't it funny that all the people who are being " attacked " right now are people in the GOP? And isn't it funny those same people are the ones being supported by companies and the NRA? Weird how that works out. What are the odds?
“The most ruthless attack on a president and the people who voted for him”
TBF, I pressed down pretty hard with my ballpoint pen when I voted. Was it ruthless? Maybe. Could I have filled in the area with less pressure? Sure.
And Dana, thanks for the tip to 'build a utopia from the ashes" of the GOP,' but no thanks. Voting rights, ethics, rule of law, justice and democracy make better building blocks.
What the fuck. That is actual, insane, paranoiac, wartime-level propaganda talk.
Seriously, I don't understand how the right can justify this level of partisan fearmongering. Yes, us evil atheist leftists want to destroy America and eat your babies. Fear our tolerant social politics and our devious support for (((science))) and the (((environment))). Better shoot us all dead.
MAGA bomber manifesto or NRA ad on TV? You decide!
Basically, both. It's quite obvious that they have every intention of driving people to buy more guns and commit murders with those guns, so that they can then sell still more guns to people either afraid of getting murdered or afraid that some legislative action might be taken to try to reduce the number of murders.
The NRA is a shit organization that exists to poison the gun debate, enrich gun lobbyists, and advance the aims of the Republican party. You can be 100% pro-Second Amendment and still find them reprehensible. You should, as a matter of fact.
Yup. I lived in WV for a while and met republicans across the spectrum. One of the more interesting opinions I would hear is how useless the NRA is. It should be noted that the NRA has nothing to gain by having the gun debate settled and having the 2nd amendment safe as could be. They have everything to gain by making people feel like their rights are in danger.
And yet, it seems as though doctors are becoming targets of ignorant attacks on their knowledge of a situation that they're literally professionals at.
I’m a gun owner and am generally pro gun. But, I can’t stand the NRA. I grew up thinking they were the good guys because “Amurica fuck yeah!” Now that I’m older and I actually think for myself, I never find anything they add to the conversation is effective, appropriate or right. They don’t appear to do anything but make enemies of people that don’t think like them instead of trying to have an actual conversation about a topic. Instead of advocating education and responsibility, they seem to be hooked on antagonizing others and general political stunt tactics. Bleck.
Edit: “now that I’m older....” meaning, I grew up and learned that I don’t have to believe whatever I was told to by my southern family members. I get to decide how I think, and for my own reasons.
Vegan here and I feel the same way about PETA.
Which is sad because there are so many good animal welfare/rights orgs that get overshadowed
Agreed. I hate how they've taken stewardship of our 2A rights.
In their early days they were good guys, advocating safety and responsible gun ownership. Now they are the devil.
British page: "Learn to shoot". "Enter a Competition". "Location of gun ranges."
American page: "Trump reelection odds?" "Florida Recount battle!!" "Twitter vs. Fox News Showdown!" "Pelosi coming for your guns reeeeeeeeeeee!"
It's painfully obvious that it is has become a political lobby group. Maybe they need to listen to their own advice and "stay in their lane."
Or, you know, just stop being a russian-funded propaganda arm. That would be fine too.
Wow what the hell, the British NRA website actually looks like a relatively fun hobby club.
Meanwhile the American NRA website looks like a reskinned Infowars website.
It is a club in the UK. The US NRA is a lobbying group
WE ARE THE CURE
Jesus fucking Christ, that's some cult rhetoric. Like, as an avid D&D player, I wouldn't have my cultists say that in fear of sounding cliche.
'We are the cure' says Oliver North, a man who committed treason by illegally selling missiles to Iran in order to raise money to illegally fund a paramilitary group in a Nicaraguan civil war.
Holy shit, then below it says KEEP AMERICA STRONG! DONATE NOW! Like... if you dont support them, you are part of the problem and of course you make america weak, holy shit, and people believe that shit? That is beyond politics now, if you ask me
NRA School Shield: Guardians of Our School Children
Everyone understands the importance of securing our public places.
That's why every major corporate campus and office tower, every sporting event, celebrity awards show and government building... all of it, is protected by multiple layers of security.
But when it comes to our most precious resource—not gold, or oil or precious jewels—our children, we utterly fail to protect them at school every single day.
Each day that goes by our banks and businesses are better protected than our children. That's a national outrage.
NRA's School Shield program has already made world-class security resources available to hundreds of American schools.
It's free of politics, and it's free of charge.
If your child's school isn't protected, ask them to call School Shield today.
We are the National Rifle Association of America.
Guardians of our school children.
And we're Freedom's Safest Place.
What in the everloving fuck is this??? Freedom's safest place? What the fuck does that even mean
GUARDIANS OF OUR SCHOOL CHILDEN
I think I'm gonna puke
"Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have a new favorite line that Donald Trump is a symptom, not the cause. But here's the Truth: our President and all of us who believe in Making America Great, are a cure... We cured the ills they brought to our country, so come this November, don't let their disease make America weak again."
I mean what the actual fuck.
Support the second amendment foundation instead, you can set them as your Amazon smile charity.
There needs to be a new organization that stresses training and safety for gun owners.
Democrats could get behind this. I am lately on the fence about guns, and one thing keeping me that way is how much the NRA makes me, someone on the left, seem like an enemy. Pro-gun rights individuals would do better by not alienating people, and the NRA is the MOST alienating group, far more of course than the average American gun owner.
A group not built by hatred and division seems like a great idea to get people from all walks of life to at least learn the reality behind guns and gun safety.
Thanks friend, I'll look into those. I'm very conflicted, I'm not sure I am ready to own, but I'm getting to this point where I think that the second amendment is generally good, except I would love some unified and research-based regulations. This is coming from someone who a year ago would have said 'ban all guns' in a heartbeat, so baby steps.
The NRA... told doctors... to "stay in their lane"....
God damn this is the worst fucking timeline.
Stay in your lane. Keep saving lives while we keep sending you bodies.
And of course before they Elected Oliver North to be president of the NRA.
Let's look at this guy's sterling career as a patriot:
In July 1987, North was summoned to testify before televised hearings of a joint congressional committee that was formed to investigate the Iran-Contra scandal. During the hearings, North admitted that he had lied to Congress, for which, along with other actions, he was later charged. He defended his actions by stating that he believed in the goal of aiding the Contras, whom he saw as freedom fighters against the Sandinistas and said that he viewed the Iran-Contra scheme as a "neat idea." North admitted shredding government documents related to these activities at William Casey's suggestion when the Iran-Contra scandal became public. He also testified that Robert McFarlane had asked him to alter official records to delete references to direct assistance to the Contras and that he had helped.
I think the most fascinating thing about this is apparently the NRA believes that their being professional gun lobbyists somehow grants them exclusive relevant insight into how guns do or do not kill people.
Leave it to the NRA to think actual fucking scientists shouldn't be doing research.
NRA literally lobbies to not allow any kind of federal funding to research gun violence.
They successfully did get this law passed. It's called the Dewey Amendment.
EDIT: My bad, it's actually called the Dickey Amendment. It was passed in 1996 after intense NRA lobbying. Technically the language of the law is that the CDC cannot use federal funds to "advocate gun control." However, it was paired with a $2.3 billion cut to CDC gun safety research which has never been reinstated. Besides tracking raw fatalities, the CDC has done no significant research into gun safety since (22 years!).
yeah this wasn't smart from the NRA
Single actions like this rarely sway opinion by themselves; if they do, it's because public opinion is shifting so much that all it takes is one final push to cause the landslide shift.
What things like this do accomplish is to continue to push the idea and the narrative along, grinding away at the opposition's place and argument. By itsel fit won't convince anyone, but it will help erode the base of power, and over time it will cause a few people to shift their opinions, and then a few more, and then a few more.
The war of ideologies and ideas is not one of shocking avalanches but a slow grind of ocean waves against hardened stone, eroding the opposition over time. America didn't become this awful overnight, and it won't shift back toward sanity overnight either. We have to keep at it.
It's a straw. Keep adding straws to the camel's back and then suddenly gays have equal rights. Takes time. The gays fought for several decades, a generation changed, and then real change happens
Fucking preach. It wont change much today, but the future is still up for grabs.
The NRA promoted the post in a tweet, which had attracted 3,000 likes but more than 20,000 replies.
Oh boy, I can't wait to sort by controversial once this post makes the front page
Thar be a shitstorm coming
Mental health professional here.
Forget doctors. Let’s even break down the basics. Forget the shooter and if they’re mentally ill.
What about the victims — people shot who live? What trauma do they suffer? People in the area of the shooting? People who see the dead? The first responders who can’t save them? The loved ones at home who thought it was safe for their loved one to go to that theatre, club, yoga studio,house of worship, etc? The general public inundated with these images?
What about the general mental health crisis from these shootings? The anxiety, depression, grief?
It’s a mental health crisis for sure—- and for more than just the shooter.
I will never forget the first time I saw a gunshot victim in the trauma room at the hospital I work at. The team had moved from one trauma room to the other and I was standing in the carnage of the first trauma room.
Bloody gowns and gloves were strewn everywhere and there were pools of blood spread over the floor. I remember looking down and seeing that I was standing in someone else's blood. Across the way in the second trauma room the doctors and nurses were moving in what looked like controlled chaos. It was stunning to watch everyone move and respond so calmly yet so efficiently.
On the way out after finishing the work I was there to do, I passed by police officers telling someone, maybe the patient's wife or mother, that the patient didn't make it. She just kind of collapsed in on herself repeating "oh god no" and as I was moving out of earshot she asked "what am I supposed to do?"
The whole experience was surreal and hit me in the gut like a freight train. I knew then that I could never do what these doctors and nurses do. I could never be faced with the aftermath of that kind of senseless (at least to me) violence without losing my humanity too.
What was your job?
I'm a pharmacy technician in an inpatient setting. When I accepted the position I didn't think I would be getting anywhere near operating rooms, trauma rooms, or the like. I have since found that us pharmacy techs go everywhere. I've been up to deliver meds when there's a case going in the OR and make frequent trips to the ER, in addition to delivering to the nursing units. I don't get to the OR or ER as often anymore, only when I pick up extra shifts, since moving from delivering drugs to making them.
Proud of my profession. Standing in the CT scanner control room at 3 am waiting for the image to pull up to see if this 20 year old kid who was shot in the head is going to have any chance of making it makes it absolutely our lane. Spoiler alert: he didn’t, but his family (which included multiple younger brothers and sisters) generously agreed to donate his organs to help others survive even if he could not.
Yeah I also work in a hospital, I do the cleanup. Shit sucks when it's a gun wound victim.
"This is my fucking freeway"
Best response to the ridiculous tweet by the NRA.
Gotta respect the medical professionals speaking up from a very relevant perspective.
If the NRA think they can win a PR battle against freakin' doctors, they are mistaken.
Someone once thought a twice-divorced man who openly mocked women and bragged about grabbing a woman's genitals couldn't win a PR battle against an accomplished professional stateswoman.
And, yet, here we are.
Seeing that hurt me and I'm a Canadian...
To be fair, he did lose the PR battle. She got 3 million more votes than he did. That's a lot of votes. It's just that some votes are more equal than others.
Not to mention antivax idiots.
Anyone else notice the article blurred out the word “fucking” from a tweet, and then posted a blood soaked horror show right after? America. Fuck yeah.
The NRA is the PETA of gun rights.
The difference is that the NRA has widespread support among conservatives, while PETA is still a fringe organization. You won’t see many Democrats touting an endorsement from PETA.
Medical staff are real life superheroes.
The most dangerous thing republicans have done is convince their base that scientists are elitists and shouldn't be listened to.
It’s gone farther than that. Anyone who is an expert in their field who presents evidence of something contrary to their ideology is that.
This a problem your veterinarians deal with pretty regularly, too. It's usually shotgun pellets we're taking out of animals, but you'll get rifle or pistol bullets as well. Pets, wildlife, doesn't matter. We treat animals as badly as we treat each other, often moreso. Just be good to each other, folks. The world's hard enough as is.
I’m Australian and I’ve been a nurse for almost 15 years now, and I’ve worked in emergency and ICU among other specialties. I’ve never once had to look after a patient with a gunshot wound. Not one. Never seen a single person present to my hospital with a gunshot wound, and I work in one of the largest hospitals in my country.
I’ve only ever had one patient who had a gunshot wound in their past medical history. A woman who had accidentally been shot in the buttock when she was out hunting kangaroos as a teenager years prior.
It’s not normal to be treating gunshot victims everyday... unless you’re working in a war zone I guess...
Fun fact. In the US we send medic soldiers to Chicago for training on treating gunshot wounds.
That being said Chicago is one of our most violent cities, a very small part compared to the rest of the US and doesn't accurately represent the rest of America.
I've been a nurse in Germany for about 15 years as well now. Same here, as in most if not all European states.
I'm an EMT and I have first hand experience with gun violence. The one that sticks with me the most was a 1 1/2 year old who was shot by another kid who was playing with a gun. The blood-curdling screams and sobbing of the mother as we rushed her baby to a trauma center still haunts me.
So before you comment that these doctors should shut up, realize the shit that they see and have to deal with on a daily basis, all because of gun violence. Realize that you don't have that same perspective.