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But where will you go? The mother fucking SENATE!!!!!
She IS the Senate!
I've been expecting you.. You fool, I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku
Oh, I don't think so.
Wait do people really say that? Like literally that?
I guess Mormons aren’t supposed to watch certain kinds of films so maybe they aren’t aware that’s the universal abusive household/institution/cult trope. Like it’s so incredibly presumptive, insulting, manipulative. Just creepy, even.
I feel like I’ve seen it mentioned here more than once so is it just a mormon meme or is it part of a handbook? I saw a video showing an example of how to pretend to be an exmormon’s friend to cynically trick them into coming to temple when they seek emotional support. So I imagine a handbook could exist.
PS I’ve never been a mormon in case that wasn’t clear
Fellow nevermo here, the "where will you go" meme that is frequently referenced on this sub comes from a talk given by a mormon apostle with a last name of Ballard.
To give a bit more context, the quorum of the 12 apostles consists of the top leaders of TSCC (the "so called" church) after the "prophet" and they go up on the podium at the biannual conference to preach their nonsense to the rest of the world.
Of course, after the general conference when he gave that particular speech this sub blew up with exmos immediately drawing the same comparisons that you made.
An exmormon just replaced a Mormon senator!
That was a very interesting swing in 6 years.
Both ways one could say.
Nationally we see this back and forth swing but Arizona hasn’t had a democrat senator since 1988. This lady is likable by both sides and has proven to work well with either.
Up doot for an unintentional(?) double-entendre.
Arizona also elected the highest share of Democrats in the state house since 1966.
Both sexes or both parties?
And there was much rejoicing in the land of reddit
Isn’t that crazy that we think the pic above is bare shouldered?
Have a friend with a 12 year old daughter. Friend's mom, the 12 year old's grandma, became active after friend was an adult, and grandma took 12 year old to church recently for the first time. The 12 year old wore a nice sunday dress, but alas, it wasn't mormon approved TM, and some shoulder could be seen. She was basically harassed by everyone at the church for her shoulders. It wasn't even ridiculous, just very short sleeved. She reported she never wanted to go back and that they were nuts. Good job mormons.
Going to lds church in a country where there are only a few stakes, (well, I used to), where we are happy seeing just anyone at the church, hearing things like this disgusts me. I grew up in a religion, but it seems that the church truly is a ”cult”-ure in some places.
Forget her bare shoulders, forget her bisexuality, her political ideology turns me on!
Centrism is so hot right now.
If I had shoulders like that, I’d be showing them off too. And I’m a male. :D
Every single female newscaster on every station around here wears dresses like the one she has on in that photo. Like corriefan1 said where I'm from those are just arms.
It's Arizona, gotta take advantage of the sun
That's exmos signature look
Well obviously her life went to shit after leaving the church /s
Thanks for that /s
I have a weird reaction to this: I find it awesome that I can say a BYU alum who is a bi-female is in the Senate!
I am an odd duck who is so glad to have left TSCC but is also a proud BYU alum. I think people like me need to be proud to point to people like Aaron Eckhardt and Steve Young and now Sen. Sinema and be proud of these progressive Cougars.
In fact, it almost makes me want to develop a Progressive Alumni network or subreddit or blog or something. She's an effing Senator! How cool is that?
I would be interested
what do you think is a good outlet for that? I once participated in a once-per-month business lunch that was for BYU alums in my city. We called it the George Romney Management Society. I really liked the forum. It didn't feel just like some additional church meeting. It felt like a true Alumni forum despite being entirely TBM's. We talked about business and had guest speakers.
I am not suggesting that precisely. But a forum for progressive BYU alums would be a start. Not sure the best way to reach them though. There must be others out there who enjoyed their time at BYU but want to keep that feeling alive regardless of church affiliation.
I generally regard my years at BYU with embarrassment and regret, but in fairness I did enjoy it when I was there. Meeting fellow Cougs who left the church would be a blast. Maybe a subreddit for us would be a good start?
Edit: My first post on the subreddit would be to ask how many of us had the first seeds of doubt planted in us by religion classes. I had several planted that way. Sometimes my professors said too much.
I generally regard my years at BYU with embarrassment and regret, but in fairness I did enjoy it when I was there.
I think you'd still be part of the target audience.
Meeting fellow Cougs who left the church would be a blast.
I totally feel the same.
Maybe a subreddit for us would be a good start?
Ya think? I just feel like there are so many sub subs.
But perhaps if we invited people who are on the faithful subs as well but consider themselves progressive.
I guess I don't feel embarrassed about BYU. But where i live, people have either not heard of BYU or they think of it like Notre Dame. Religious in foundation. Well regarded. Football. In pother words most people I know don't really know what BYU is like. And since I had a blast there myself I can't in good conscience just throw away that experience. I still enjoy visiting the campus. My wife and I enjoy that opportunity despite not believing. I think it time that alums who are like us assert ourselves. Why have our own tailgate with booze at homecoming. Why not proudly point out that critically acclaimed director Neil Labute is an alum. Or Ken Jennings (pretty progressive if believing and a democrat). Or more prominently Dan Reynolds.
The problem with that idea, for me, is that not all progressive alumni are ex-Mormon and not all ex-Mormon alumni are progressive. You'd really need separate groups for each category. I guess I don't have a problem with too many sub subs. I am in a couple of niche ex-Momon subs. They don't have a lot of subscribers and can tend to be pretty quiet, but when someone posts something in one of them, it shows up in my feed and more often than not I find it to be an interesting read.
If you did try to create a hybrid group, I imagine progressive active Mormons would be a lot more welcoming and tolerant of ex-Mormons, but there are still some very stark competing interests. It would be all too easy for the ex-Mormons to make the active members feel, intentionally or not, like shitty human beings for drinking the Kool-Aid when their consciences are screaming at them over church policies past and present and basically anything that comes out of Dallin H. Oaks' (among others) mouth. On the other hand, there are probably a lot more progressive alumni who have remained in the church than left it, so that might facilitate a subreddit with minimal religious conflict and more focus on political issues and making connections with people. If someone can make it work, more power to them.
Me personally, I would rather connect more with ex-Mormon alumni of all political stripes, even though I am quite progressive. I imagine progressives outnumber conservatives by a wide margin among ex-Mormon BYU alumni, but maybe I'm just being myopic and committing that classic human blunder of assuming most people are like me. Considering that a substantial majority of BYU grads as a whole are politically conservative and that there are entirely apolitical justifications for leaving the church (Joseph Smith's credibility and conduct chief among them), it's possible there is a more politically even mix than my instincts tell me.
Bottom line: In the context of being a BYU alum, my ex-Mormonness is more interesting to me than my progressiveness. I'm kinda done with the church, period, and I'm not interested in watching devout Mormons wrestle with the contradictions of what is self evidently right vs. the many ways the church trespasses those obvious principles. Being ex-Mormon has more impact on my life journey and my identity than my politics. And I honestly feel very lonely out here in a small town outside the diaspora where BYU alums, members or not, are hard to come by and ex-Mormon grads are even rarer.
This is my experience as well. I think anti-BYU sentiment is mostly a Utah thing. Having lived away from there since graduating, my impression is that most people assume a sort of like ND. Has a pretty good academic rep. They know about the sports teams. They know it’s a conservative religious school, but not much detail.
They assume I’m Mormon, but aren’t surprised at all when I say I’m not anymore.
The only people I’ve ever had say anything to me that was really negative about BYU are Utah alums.
Pretty much every exmormon I know is a BYU grad. We all loved our time there.
Can you explain the Steve Young reference please. I always thought he was totally "church broke". Is he one of us?
He and his wife have been very supportive of the LGBT community from what I know.
He's no exmo. But I'd love to see ANY progressive BYU alums be recognized.
Thanks for the update.
I would love this.
(See my comment on this thread where my first reaction to this post was “go cougs,” before anything else. I’d love to connect with other BYU folks who are like me. I know a handful - who love BYU like anyone loves their alma mater, but also don’t do church - but not many.)
Replacing Jeff Flake, too. I’m so happy and proud of Arizona right now 🏳️🌈🎉
omg, that is such good news, Arizona deserved so much better
BLUE WAVE AZ
Sinema is pretty far right for a D. McSally was pretty distasteful, and Sinema's done a relatively good job as a congressman.
There were other wins for the Dems in the state, like winning five house seats, a higher share of the state legislature, the education superintendent, and possibly the secretary of state. What remains to be seen is whether this shift outlasts the Trump presidency.
One ugly thing being floated now is McSally will be nominated to replace Sen. Kyl when he gets tired of playing in the Senate. He's McCain's replacement.
Eh, I can live with it. No matter what, the seat has to go to a Republican so its somewhat irrelevant who Ducey picks. She very nearly got elected anyway, and got the vote of 48% of the state. Atleast this way, everybody who voted is represented. Could be worse, she could have won Flake's seat, and we'd still have a 2nd Republican taking McCain's. I'd take McSally over someone like Arpaio.
Fun fact, the vice president used to always be the candidate who ran against you. Can you imagine Hillary as Trump's VP haha.
It'd be more balanced that way.
Sadly, it would put a huge target on the winner's back after every election.
I believe when Burr lost to Jefferson and expected to be his VP, it was Madison who said "It’s crazy that the guy who comes in second gets to be Vice President", and then Jefferson said "Ooh!, you know what? We can change that. You know why?...‘cuz I’m the President."
Exmormon with overtly Mormon first name. Congrats to her!!
Also the Sinema’s are a huge Mormon family down here.
What makes her name Mormon?
The funky spelling that many Mormon parents assign to their kids to make their names unique. Ashleigh, Brynleei, Destinee, Jaxson, etc.
Mormons are like white stereotypes cranked up to 11
Oh they get the pumpkin spiced latte...just without the latte. I about died laughing when my local RS president admitted to going through the Starbucks drive through and ordering a pumpkin spiced latte, without coffee.
My response was, "Isn't that just steamed milk and pumpkin spice syrup?!?" So weird!
Utah has them beat, they literally have drive through to order soda(swig I think).
I don't know about Starbucks, but Beans & Brews here in Utah has a pumpkin spice hot chocolate.
Espresso. You mean without Espresso.
There's something really strange that happens to women once they enter relief society...well actually young women's. It's like keeping up with the Joneses, but for all the weird ways you can be extra super special. Vinyl lettering, wood carved words, digital scrapbooking, kid naming, MLM's. HASHTAGSAMILELONGTHATSHOULDBEAPARAGRAPH. The sub-culture is real, and "peculiar", erm weird.
It's strange, for sure.
this is a real thing for mormons?
Ashleigh is the actual spelling. Ashley is the hip-modern twist.
Or Ashlee, Ashlei, Ashli, Ashlie, Ashlea...
Ashleigh, a boys name from the people of Asher.
Also Ryan was a girls name. Don't you just love naming all seven of your children something different but sticking to one letter and following the same suit for middle names?
This might sound crass, but when I first heard the name Kyrsten Sinema, my first thought wasn't "Mormon name." It was "porn star name."
Many Mormon names sound like porn star names to me. Sinema didn't ring that bell, but I have seen many an LDS baby name that makes me think, "do they realize this sounds like a stripper name/porn alias?"
I think the emphasis is on the second syllable, but I very well might be wrong.
Crass isn't allowed on Reddit
This needs to happen in utah!!!
Utah was the first state to have an openly trans woman run for the US senate. It was only 2 years ago. Being a dem probably hurt her more than being trans.
I'm just hoping mainly to get the Mormon influence out of politics.
I can unequivocally tell you that being trans hurt her most. Even Mormon Dems won't generally vote that way.
There was simply no way a democrat was going to win, so I thought it was a brave way for the democratic party to go -- her main opponent in the primary was some white male mormon from Utah County, who also had zero chance of winning, so let's go with the transwoman. At least it demonstrates that the Utah Democrats stand for something.
not quite. it was the fact that her only experience was working at a grocery store that hurt her. As someone who voted in that primary I can tell you that utah democrats were LIVID that we lost a quality candidate to someone who was elected just to send a message. Of course she would have been a much, much better alternative to what we have now though. It will be interesting to see if there is ever a republican trans candidate...
I know lots of Utah Democrats that were thrilled by the “message” candidate. In a state where a huge chunk of the population votes as their cult demands, and the opposition has so very little chance of victory, sometimes the only way to make an impact is with a message candidate.
I’ll take that over a “republican-lite” candidate any day.
We need a exmormon govoner
Openly secular too!
FYI. There is a mod that’s a red hatter that has been taking down these posts. They said I broke rule 5 for endorsing a candidate. Which isn’t even rule 5 or any rule.
Yeah there's at least one. I think the moderation is generally good here but sometimes things get really weird.
I just got settled in bed. Opened up my computer. The first reddit post I see is this. A huge smile burst out on my face. I love seeing the glorious things that are going on in the world. All leaving the church behind in the mud pit of it's own creation. Very proud of and excited for Krysten.
So proud to have voted for her!!!
WAIT. I was already celebrating the first openly bi person elected to Congress and now I find out she’s exmo?? She’s my hero.
MY NEW SENATOR YAY
As an Arizona educator who pushed hard to get pro-education candidates elected this one has me super excited. I’m from a very blue area of Arizona and seeing Maricopa County, generally a very red county, vote in Sinema I’m optimistic about things. And her being ExMo is icing on the cake.
She’s the second politician I ever donated to, and I’m not even from AZ. I’m also not a Democrat!
Mad props!!!!!! So proud of her! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Woohoo! I heart her so much!
This just made my morning (:
Love her! What a wonderful journey to follow! An example for other mormon women! Get out of the church and live a FULFILLING WONDERFUL life! (The ole "wickedness never was happiness" just keeps getting proved wrong eh?)
Fascinating how her life didn't fall apart and she had nowhere to go. And she looks radiant and glowing!
If you listen to her speak, she sounds like a woman giving a conference talk. I think she is going to break into tears any moment. Definitely still has the Mormon blood in her.
She does have a whiff of "primary voice" about her, that's for sure.
"Hello, boyss and girlss. It's so speshul that we could all be here today..."
I’m proud to say that I voted for her.
Life starts on the outside.
I'm pretty sure she's an atheist too! I live in Arizona and she sure got my vote! So proud of her and all of Arizona right now!
3 things I was almost sure about 10 years ago that wouldn’t happen in my lifetime. 1. Gay Marriage across all 50 states 2. Marijuana legalisation in Utah 3. Avowed atheist getting elected to Congress or the Presidency
Glad to be wrong about all of them!
That would be such an improvement.
I was happy to vote for her.
I'm going to do the same, lol
The constant struggle of a bisexual feminist. Wow what an accomplishment. And damn girl, bi girls are the hottest!!!
I may or may not have a HUGE schoolboy crush on this woman. Congrats to her and her electoral win and I'm excited for what it means for her as well as our community and country
Yes!! I'm from AZ and I was hoping she'd win!!
She’s kinda batshit though...
Edit: I apologize for having an opinion.
Having an opinion is fine if you substantiate it in some way.
How's she crazy? I don't know much about her.
The opposition ran several ads against her showing footage where she called AZ the meth lab of America and seemed to look down on AZ in another speech. She used to be a Green Party activist and was shown in a pink tutu protesting something. Of course all of that was presented in a very negative light. Personally I thought it showed her as a human being not a political robot.
Dude, before I moved here, “Meth Lab of America that isn’t the one you’re thinking of, Florida” was the Arizona Board of Tourism’s official motto. I’ve been pleasantly surprised over 6 years here to find a moderate place with great restaurants and... a lot of weirdos
Yes great restaurants help a lot 😜
For the most part people who run for public office are either narcissistic or bat shit crazy.
She was smart enough to leave the church.
But would you rather have McSally?
McSally was a good representative in her district. She ran on attack adds and campaigned with Trump. I think the latter drove people the other way.
No she wasn't. Sure, the diehard republicans like her. But she was far from a good representative. The only reason she got elected, was her whole 'first female pilot in combat' spiel that won over the large population of military in Tucson and Sierra Vista. She did nothing for us, as a Representative.
She has no real accomplishments to run on, beyond her military service. Even running for Senate, all her ads were 'I was the first female pilot in combat. I love Trump and I hate Mexicans, lets build that wall. Kyrsten Sinema is a terrorist.'
McSally jumped in bed with Trump and became another one of his lackeys. She ran a horribly negative campaign and l am so glad she lost.
Right there with ya!
I received so much mail bashing Sinema. It was insane. What a disgusting waste of money and the environment. Just embarrassing.
Just for the record, she hasn't held a town hall with her constituents in Tucson in 1,231 days.
She was re-elected easily in 2016. Even this election was closer than I thought. Her mistake was campaigning with Trump. Arizona does not like Trump especially after how he treated McCain.
Opinions not allowed here. No thinking for yourself. You must agree with the majority.
I thought i got out of Mormonism because I was forced to have only ONE opinion and view on any given matter. Guess the same applies here.
But unlike Mormonism, we don't care if you leave or stay :)
Never apologize for having an opinion, never back down from your beliefs.
I'm assuming you're referring to how she called AZ one big meth lab and praised the taliban?
I know you were referring to it in a certain way for a reason but I want to clarify for anyone not in the loop: Sinema OF COURSE didn’t praise the taliban. She said, “Fine, I don’t care if you want to do that, go ahead,” in order to move a conversation along (in an interview with a libertarian in 2003), and it was of course taken wildly out of context by the McSally campaign. (https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/12/kyrsten-sinema-taliban/). Honestly an insult to our intelligence that they’d try to run an ad based on something so obviously taken out of context.
😂upvote for your edit
Just a fair warning that leftists may not like what they see in the Political Stances section of her Wikipedia page.
Edit: not sure why this is being downvoted, it's an accurate statement
Arizona is a very red state, no way it's turning blue without a moderate.
Liberal from AZ here. You don't win as a Democrat in Maricopa County by running as a left wing liberal. She's smart, and she represents her constituents well. As a person, she's more liberal. As a Representative, she votes in the interest of the people she serves. In her case, more centrist and moderate.
You got down voted, they must not have even looked.
How could she get elected? She has the word 'sin' in her name.
So glad to see more women getting into politics and balancing out the patriarchal grip on the process.
She defeated a woman opponent. Personally, I care about a person's political stance, not their genitals, but you be you.
I actually care about both their stance and their genitals because if one sex outnumbers the other substantially in power then things get out of whack. This may be totally wishful thinking but if women dominated world politics there would be less death and destruction and more nurturance and tolerance. Then again, maybe it would become a nightmare and we would wish to return to patriarchal male dominance?
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And in the deep red state of AZ too!
That's great and everything, but the crooked neckline is killing my OCD tendencies.
Ya it’s a fuckin no from me. Exmo is great but her political stances are shit.
I didn’t know this about her! She spoke at a conference I was at and her story is incredibly powerful. I still tell people about her! She’s such an inspiration!
My only concerns involve her stance on the topic of the pewpews. Though her stated goals are as yet, much less asinine than other democrats I could name.
But full of crazy in other ways.